Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Elroy1]

The irony is, Yoz & his buddies were claiming that Wladimir was impossible to outbox.

"Nobody has ever outboxed Wlad doe, only knocked him out" etc

That is in fact correct...

Wladimir Klitschko has never ever been really outboxed, with the sole exception of that time when Corrie Sanders wasted him in 2 rounds, Wladimir never got up there so technically he was outboxed there as well, although I would argue that nothing much really happened there aside the KO and to be fair it was a butt fight from which Wlad never recovered.

To be more accurate, Wladimir has never ever been outboxed in a complete fight in roughly 70 fights!!

But you can hold your head high and so can your mate Fury Denium for he WAS in fact, by a respectable measure, the first one to do so.

Yoz was not off his head posting that.

Of course, although Fury did well to do what he did, I don't think you can overlook Wladimir dismissing himself in the encounter either. This was not a great Wlad he beat, even IF you assume Tyson's qualities were making Wlad look bad, it's difficult to swallow they would be made that bad.

As for "impossible to outbox" (I just reread what you wrote), well ok, nobody is impossible to outbox.

But then again, NOBODY is impossible to outbox anyway and especially if you continue to box into middle age your guaranteed to be outboxed eventually. Obviously.

[Elroy1]

denium

Could Tyson Fury NOW have beaten ANY or the BEST version of Wladimir?

I dunno your thoughts here but I guess you think so.

I will tell you not, when a fighter vanquishes a great champ like that, even if in a manner that seems readily avengable, I don't dismiss the new champ.

On the contrary I grant that Fury COULD POSSIBLY have taken Wlad anytime.

It would go totally against my own theories of boxing to not acknowledge this.

I merely propose that it is unlikely given the evidence that Fury could have.

I think personally that Wladimir of a few years back would have wasted Fury.

And I think that that David Haye perhaps would have too.

Put it this way, let's say Fury beats Wlad again. That would pretty much confirm that Fury is better than Wlad NOW (but has little further bearing on whether he was better than Wlad before.)

So then, it would stand to reason that if Fury was REALLY better, he would atleast be able to hold onto the title for atleast a short time (number of defences) before he lost it.

I'm not saying he needs to equal Wlad (as opponents get better and better over time anyway) but he needs to put together a certain body of work..

ONE way to do this would be to beat also Wladimir's best opponents like Haye, Povetkin and Pulev for example. This would go along way. Also there's the new comers like Joshua etc.

Ironically I care not to mention Wilder because although it would be a symbolic thing to unify, the meaning there is totally lost now as Wilder is not really a top fighter until proven against a healthy decent opponent.
(without dive).

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Such a masterclass, that HBO labelled it a "not terribly entertaining", and "poor quality" fight.

The CompuBox stats are telling, too. Fury put on such a boxing masterclass, that he achieved a 20% connection rate.

Wladimir was worse, don't get me wrong. It was horrible to watch the then-champ devoid of ideas and holding back from throwing his right hand, but it was NEVER, NEVER a quality boxing masterclass.

Mannnn you sounding like a casual in this post! WTF! Sort it out!

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I remember you, you're actually Tyson Fury, or one of his brothers if I recall correctly. Masquerading as Jimmy, as it is meant to be spelt. I recall the conversation immediately and I'm thinking Jesus man this guy remembers me from over a year ago.

Ok you've got your props, what's next ? You gonna pm me after the rematch... Man I didn't think so.

See you in 7 month.

"See you in 7 months"

"See you in 23 days"

You Klitards are so samey! When Fury knocks your hero out in the rematch you'll have to go through this ALL over again! lolololol

[Elroy1]

Mannnn you sounding like a casual in this post! WTF! Sort it out!

yoz ridicules me at times (and still in his sigs)...

But there's nothing in what he said that isn't 100% true here.

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Fury landed 2 good shots to about 5 or 6 from Wlad. 3-2, Wlad.

Bruhhhhhhhhhhhh

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Wladimir scores repeatedly with the jab now. Clear Wladimir round.

58-56

Bruhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh lol

[billeau2]

The irony is, Yoz & his buddies were claiming that Wladimir was impossible to outbox.

"Nobody has ever outboxed Wlad doe, only knocked him out" etc

This opinion is best understood by a social critic, and perhaps the greatest heavyweight philosopher of the golden age....Socrates. Socrates whole method was to get people to understand the difference between an examined and unexamined opinion....Simple right?! Well....No. There is a reason why many Japanese martial artists consider Kendo the easiest martial art to learn and the hardest to master...and it is such with people understanding the nature of when an opinion is examined/or not.

People like Elroy are a great example of institutionalizing unexamined opinions and manufacturing them. Unfortunately many people have unexamined opinions regarding Vlad Flinchko.

You get this Denum but let me take this opportunity in this post to disabuse people of the notion/unexamined/wrong point of view that states: VLAD KLITSCHO CAN BOX. Klitschko has NEVER displayed any ability, any subtlety that is exemplory of a fighter who relies on boxing skill....NEVER.

Vlad uses his jab to set up his punches. He never moves particularly well, he never slips punches, he does not work inside (he clinches), nor does he use combinations....He jabs at a usually stationary, squared up opponent, until he can safely throw his big punches. He is a puncher with an extraordinary jab. you take his jab away you make him ordinary.

This is why when comparing him to great fighters it is laughable. Dempsey, for example, knew how to fight inside, punch, and move with the feet to hit you with either hand, at any time from any range. Tyson likewise, Frazier could step in while throwing his hook, etc.

Klitsko cannot move around the ring, he gets winded and flustered if he has to throw any volume of punches other than a jab, has no chin, and cannot fight at any distance except on the tip of his jab. Sure he beats up guys like Haye! Haye is as one dimensional as Vlad! Hayes entire strategy revolves around a numbers game: "If I get 1 chance at a big punch, every two rounds or so, through ambushing you, I will land a bomb."

Wilder is similarly one dimensional...My point is, Vlad, being in a weak division has never had to develop as a fighter because all his opponents are squared up, stationary targets that have limited skills. Pulov and the like are olympic style fighters who come in chin up, set, and throw their punches.

So...people will continue to think Vlad has outboxed people and that all he has to do is get his punch count up to beat Fury. I doubt even Klitschko realizes that Fury's feints, and his timing are the reasons why he could not pull the trigger.

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Well who won that round? So close. I give it to Fury but ..


76-76

BRUHHHHHHHHHHHHH AHAHAHA!!! Im done!

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This opinion is best understood by a social critic, and perhaps the greatest heavyweight philosopher of the golden age....Socrates. Socrates whole method was to get people to understand the difference between an examined and unexamined opinion....Simple right?! Well....No. There is a reason why many Japanese martial artists consider Kendo the easiest martial art to learn and the hardest to master...and it is such with people understanding the nature of when an opinion is examined/or not.

People like Elroy are a great example of institutionalizing unexamined opinions and manufacturing them. Unfortunately many people have unexamined opinions regarding Vlad Flinchko.

You get this Denum but let me take this opportunity in this post to disabuse people of the notion/unexamined/wrong point of view that states: VLAD KLITSCHO CAN BOX. Klitschko has NEVER displayed any ability, any subtlety that is exemplory of a fighter who relies on boxing skill....NEVER.

Vlad uses his jab to set up his punches. He never moves particularly well, he never slips punches, he does not work inside (he clinches), nor does he use combinations....He jabs at a usually stationary, squared up opponent, until he can safely throw his big punches. He is a puncher with an extraordinary jab. you take his jab away you make him ordinary.

This is why when comparing him to great fighters it is laughable. Dempsey, for example, knew how to fight inside, punch, and move with the feet to hit you with either hand, at any time from any range. Tyson likewise, Frazier could step in while throwing his hook, etc.

Klitsko cannot move around the ring, he gets winded and flustered if he has to throw any volume of punches other than a jab, has no chin, and cannot fight at any distance except on the tip of his jab. Sure he beats up guys like Haye! Haye is as one dimensional as Vlad! Hayes entire strategy revolves around a numbers game: "If I get 1 chance at a big punch, every two rounds or so, through ambushing you, I will land a bomb."

Wilder is similarly one dimensional...My point is, Vlad, being in a weak division has never had to develop as a fighter because all his opponents are squared up, stationary targets that have limited skills. Pulov and the like are olympic style fighters who come in chin up, set, and throw their punches.

So...people will continue to think Vlad has outboxed people and that all he has to do is get his punch count up to beat Fury. I doubt even Klitschko realizes that Fury's feints, and his timing are the reasons why he could not pull the trigger.

Brilliant post that will no doubt go over the heads of many. I'd green you but i have to spread it around first!