Jack johnson - How good was his chin?

[travestyny]

So being put through the ropes in a sparring session by an acknowledged big puncher proves your chin is vulnerable ?
Is this your position?
In 76 fights Johnson was actually ko'd twice does that suggest to you that his chin was vulnerable?
First you have to prove the vulnerability!

Nice to see you back. The history section needs as many like you as it can get.

[Bronson66]

Nice to see you back. The history section needs as many like you as it can get.

You've been doing a damn fine job,providing plenty of primary sources to back up your opinions I came back when I saw Z was banned,now I see he is back under another Alt."match maker"

[Bronson66]

Jeffries fought them when he was green...duh!!!

McVey was just a baby then

23 yr 156 lb Sam wanted an immediate rematch with prime 28 yr JJ and actually dressed him down in public over it. Sam also took a full ad in the local paper saying he would never fight Jeffries because he was so formidable.

It's like you never watched boxing but like to prattle on about it for your flagging masculinity

"Jack Johnson gave me the only real beating I ever took,I take my hat off to him".
Johnson broke Langford's nose ,cut his eye, and floored him three times for long nine counts.Sam did not go looking for any immediate rematch.
Sam Woodman took out the add, challenging any fighter bar Jeffries,who was then Champion.
Jeffries was in the 220lbs plus range ,and Langford, at that time was 150lbs,pretty sensible of Woodman to exclude him from the challenge don't you think?
Why are you insulting in all your posts ? Can't you just post your opinion without the compulsive need for personal attacks?

[Bronson66]

He was kod a few times in his career. He was floored by a middleweight in Ketchel. The reason i can't rate Johnson as the greatest is because i question his chin.

Decent but not Chuvalo quality.

[Bronson66]

With his hugging style, he really limited the action. Chins are best tested when they are hit. A fighter named Joe Choynski iced him. And another named Stanley Ketchel dropped him. These men were well under 180 lbs. I say his punch resistance was average at best for a heavyweight.

Banned on the 16th, back posting on the 18th. Keen aren't you!lol

[Willie Pep 229]

"Jack Johnson gave me the only real beating I ever took,I take my hat off to him".
Johnson broke Langford's nose ,cut his eye, and floored him three times for long nine counts.Sam did not go looking for any immediate rematch.
Sam Woodman took out the add, challenging any fighter bar Jeffries,who was then Champion.
Jeffries was in the 220lbs plus range ,and Langford, at that time was 150lbs,pretty sensible of Woodman to exclude him from the challenge don't you think?
Why are you insulting in all your posts ? Can't you just post your opinion without the compulsive need for personal attacks?

The bold above was probably a polite way to keep the segregationists out of the conversation.

Just maybe he could then get himself a second tier 'white boy' and make some decent gate money.

In the color-line era a little humbleness by "Negros" went at long way to getting a decent payday.

I also don't think that Langford would have walked away from a Jeffries fight, had it been possible, just because of weight.

I don't know crap about Langford as a man, but as a fighter, he didn't seem to avoid any fight. I doubt Jeffries' weight mattered to Langford, he just understood the social fabric. Making no claim to the HW Title keeps the assholes off your back.

[GhostofDempsey]

So being put through the ropes in a sparring session by an acknowledged big puncher proves your chin is vulnerable ?
Is this your position?
In 76 fights Johnson was actually ko'd twice does that suggest to you that his chin was vulnerable?
First you have to prove the vulnerability!

Fighting smaller or washed up opponents means you don’t get KO’d very often. Especially when his fighting style relied heavily on clinching and wrestling.

[Bronson66]

The bold above was probably a polite way to keep the segregationists out of the conversation.

Just maybe he could then get himself a second tier 'white boy' and make some decent gate money.

In the color-line era a little humbleness by "Negros" went at long way to getting a decent payday.

I also don't think that Langford would have walked away from a Jeffries fight, had it been possible, just because of weight.

I don't know crap about Langford as a man, but as a fighter, he didn't seem to avoid any fight. I doubt Jeffries' weight mattered to Langford, he just understood the social fabric. Making no claim to the HW Title keeps the assholes off your back.

This is a plausible reason for Jeffries exclusion,Langford unlike Johnson never rocked the boat or challenged the status quo.

Langford did turn down a fight with Al Kaufman,I have no explanation as to why .

[Bronson66]

Fighting smaller or washed up opponents means you don’t get KO’d very often. Especially when his fighting style relied heavily on clinching and wrestling.

Its difficult to ascertain many weights,and heights of the fighters of that era when so many were "guestimates",especially the heavyweights.

A poster has to read biographies of these men to get more detail,here are a few of Johnsons opponents that were established
Klon***e 6ft 200lbsx3
McCormick 6ft 2 1/ 2 175lbs
Scanlan 5 ft 11 1/2 170's lbs
Everett 6 ft1/2 185 /225 lbs
Griffin 6 ft 1 180lbs x3
Kennedy 6ft 2 200lbs+
Russell 6ft 3 ?
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 203lbs
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2 ?x5
Butler 6ft 1/2 ?
McVey 5ft 10 206lbs
Ferguson 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
McVey 5 ft 10 207lbs
Martin 6ft 3 1/2 210lbs
Jeffords 6ft 4 ?
Munroe 5ft 111/ 2 225lbs +
Ferguson 6 ft 3 1/2x4
Jeannette 5ft 10 1/2 185/190lbs x7
Felix 6ft 3 183lbs
Ross 5 ft 9 214lbs
Kaufman 6ft 1 191lbs
Jeffries 6ft 225lbs
Johnson5ft 10[estimates vary] 222 1/4lbs
Moran 6 ft 1 203lbs
Lodge 6ft 4 227lbs
Lester 6 ft 3 1/2 225lbs
42 fights with the above.

it should be pointed out that in his early contests Johnson was himself, a middleweight/supermiddleweight.
Apart from Jeffries , who on the above list were washed up / or appreciably smaller?

In your opinion,which bigger ,prime men ,who were not washed up did Johnson avoid?

[Marchegiano]

integrity of the man who consistently breaks vows? Nice to see you back I was SUPER worried you'd actually leave


shuddup *****, ain't no integrity to be seen here.


Someone said sluts don't go no where. Hmm.





Anyway, there's **** all nothing in any biography that isn't public information. Got to read dem Bios to get a historian to cite one of many papers and sources - if - you're too lazy or ****** to do research for yourself.


It's like saying you can't know a measurement until a technician verifies it while the measuring tape sits right there in front of you.









Classism often asked for monetary walls to enforce the statuses of the hierarchy. Interesting isn't it? Chap?