Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Elroy1]

A slightly improved version with no inside game, less punch variety, less killer instinct, less toughness, need I go on.

Wladamir has a better jab and is slightly cleaner, lewis has the advantage everywhere else

I like how he's also "slightly longer" with a 3" reach disadvantage

He completely nullified the inside game altogether rendering it completely worthless for a HW boxer. Lennox did similarly but not as completely as Wlad.

Inside game basically equates to a lack of boxing skills, particularly with regards to tall HW's, think Rid**** Bowe, he HAD to have an inside game becaue he could not keep his opponents at bay. Not even tiny Holyfield!

Wladimir has what is termed a perfected minimalist style. His success is BECAUSE he does not employ variety. You take a hallmark positive about his game and turn it into a negative!

Not taking anything away from Lennox but if the best Lennox ever fought the best Wladimir, obviously the money could only go on Wlad!

[Earl-Hickey]

He completely nullified the inside game altogether rendering it completely worthless for a HW boxer. Lennox did similarly but not as completely as Wlad.

Inside game basically equates to a lack of boxing skills, particularly with regards to tall HW's, think Rid**** Bowe, he HAD to have an inside game becaue he could not keep his opponents at bay. Not even tiny Holyfield!

Wladimir has what is termed a perfected minimalist style. His success is BECAUSE he does not employ variety. You take a hallmark positive about his game and turn it into a negative!

Not taking anything away from Lennox but if the best Lennox ever fought the best Wladimir, obviously the money could only go on Wlad!

So klitschko fans are now saying it's better to have no inside game than to have inside game

[kafkod]

[QUOTE=Elroy1;15925580]

Wlad is an expert counterpuncher and has possibly the best timing and reflexes of all HW boxers.



Because Wlad's shots are so sharp and his reactions so sharp and technique so clean that the moment Fury breaks from a tortoise shell he will eat leather. Every movement of Fury's will be punished until Fury stands in front of him like a sitting duck, conditioned to not move anymore, ready to be knocked out.




Nothing to argue here...



They have similar range. But Wlad is NEVER there to be hit by any boxer.

You are talking about the guy who has hardly ever been hit his entire career of 70 fights!

Again, his timing, reflexes and defence are so unbelievably good that it's utterly insane that you could hold such a position.

You obviously have never watched a single boxing match since 1979!

Wlad has never fought anybody who is taller, with longer range than him, who can also move well and with speed.

That, plus Fury's stamina, punch rate and unpredictability, is what could win him Wlad's titles.

Before all Wlad's recent fights I've easily been able to close my eyes and imagine what the action is going to look like once the fight starts. The only time I got it wrong was with Pulev, who didn't fight the way I was expecting him to fight at all.

I can't imagine what Wlad vs Fury is going to look like. That's why I'm so intrigued by this match-up.

[Weltschmerz]

I can't imagine what Wlad vs Fury is going to look like

[KnockoutNed]

[QUOTE=Elroy1;15925567]On paper Wladimir Klitschko has an edge over LEnnox Lewis.

He is slightly longer, faster and sharper skilled and more disciplined than Lennox, kind of like a slightly improved version.

Lewis had a 3" reach advantage so Wlad is not longer. I've watched them fight live on the same card. Lewis moved better and had better reflexes. Anybody who watches them both can easily see Lennox was the more conditioned, well rounded complete boxer.

It is still something close to a 50/50 though.

It's not a close fight, Lewis blows him out of the water sometime between when the retiree journeyman Lewis instructed destroyed Wlad and when Lewis destroyed Golota.

Both boxers only ever really lost by flukes

None of Wlad's loses could be described as "flukes", especially the against the retiree golfer. In that match Wlad was outboxed, picked apart and blasted out inside 2 rounds. It wasn't even remotely close and Wlad never tried to avenge that lose. There was an was an instant rematch clause that could have been enforced but he was content to go down in history as worse than the retiree golfer rather than be sparked out again.

in opponents that Wladimir would simply destroy (like MAvrovic for example).

He would not be able to "simply destroy" Mavrovic, for one his chin was far too tough, even tougher than Purrity or Brewster and he always came forward, could punch, moved well, had a high workrate and an inside game. Maybe Wlad could win a decision, with clinching, but he's not dominating. He's too gunshy, limited and chinny.

[KnockoutNed]

Will Wlad be able to take Fury's shots? That's the real question.

Wlad's legs did the Amir Khan dance when his chin was touched by a light step in jab from a featherfisted Pulev and he had to hug him for several seconds to recover. Fury who can punch fairly hard can definitely rock, hurt or KO Wlad. However I'd like to see Fury use his legs to dance around on the backfoot and tag Wlad when he is out of position like TOS did. Wlad will panic and crumble just like he did in that fight.

[mick1303]

He was not almost koed. Lewis never panicked, defended well, and took care of business. No way Vlad beats Lewis. Vitalie hits harder and Lewis took his shots, thats a fact.

Vitaliy possible stronger than Wladimir (or was stronger). But his punches were less technically perfect. They were more arm-punches. But because he is a superheavy and quite strong, it was enough to break most opponents. Wladimir's punches have more concussive power. Hence the possibility of one punch KO is higher when someone fights Wlad, comparing to Vitaliy. Vitaliy just brutalizes his opponents. I do remember the shot from above after the Danny Williams fight - the blood was all over the ring. Puritty, Sanders, Sam Peter, Briggs - they all looked similarly after the meeting with Vitaliy - like they went through the meetmincer

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=Elroy1;15925580]

Wlad is an expert counterpuncher and has possibly the best timing and reflexes of all HW boxers.



Because Wlad's shots are so sharp and his reactions so sharp and technique so clean that the moment Fury breaks from a tortoise shell he will eat leather. Every movement of Fury's will be punished until Fury stands in front of him like a sitting duck, conditioned to not move anymore, ready to be knocked out.




Nothing to argue here...



They have similar range. But Wlad is NEVER there to be hit by any boxer.

You are talking about the guy who has hardly ever been hit his entire career of 70 fights!

Again, his timing, reflexes and defence are so unbelievably good that it's utterly insane that you could hold such a position.

You obviously have never watched a single boxing match since 1979!

Poor junior does not know what a counterpunch is and can't understand that Lewis has more weapons, just look at his fights and the way Lewis has prevailed junior it's not Brain surgery.

[billeau2]

Vitaliy possible stronger than Wladimir (or was stronger). But his punches were less technically perfect. They were more arm-punches. But because he is a superheavy and quite strong, it was enough to break most opponents. Wladimir's punches have more concussive power. Hence the possibility of one punch KO is higher when someone fights Wlad, comparing to Vitaliy. Vitaliy just brutalizes his opponents. I do remember the shot from above after the Danny Williams fight - the blood was all over the ring. Puritty, Sanders, Sam Peter, Briggs - they all looked similarly after the meeting with Vitaliy - like they went through the meetmincer

Maybe so. Keep in mind that for most of the time when both klit Bros were active Vitali had the superior ko percentage.

[billeau2]

[QUOTE=KnockoutNed;15925618]

On paper Wladimir Klitschko has an edge over LEnnox Lewis.



Lewis had a 3" reach advantage so Wlad is not longer. I've watched them fight live on the same card. Lewis moved better and had better reflexes. Anybody who watches them both can easily see Lennox was the more conditioned, well rounded complete boxer.

It's not a close fight, Lewis blows him out of the water sometime between when the retiree journeyman Lewis instructed destroyed Wlad and when Lewis destroyed Golota.


None of Wlad's loses could be described as "flukes", especially the against the retiree golfer. In that match Wlad was outboxed, picked apart and blasted out inside 2 rounds. It wasn't even remotely close and Wlad never tried to avenge that lose. There was an was an instant rematch clause that could have been enforced but he was content to go down in history as worse than the retiree golfer rather than be sparked out again.

He would not be able to "simply destroy" Mavrovic, for one his chin was far too tough, even tougher than Purrity or Brewster and he always came forward, could punch, moved well, had a high workrate and an inside game. Maybe Wlad could win a decision, with clinching, but he's not dominating. He's too gunshy, limited and chinny.

Lol elroy giving an edge to vlad based on what observable quality in the ring? Being slightly more disciplined. Juggy is smarter than elroy that is scary.