Crawford says he is Top 3 ATG with Robinson and Ali if he beats Canelo at 168

[satiev1]

given the circumstances, ray leonard's victory over hagler is far more impressive than bud potentially beating canelo.

no it's not lol. Leonard only moved two weight classes up.

[djtmal]

Crawford says huh

[Gary Coleman]

no it's not lol. Leonard only moved two weight classes up.

Two weight classes to take on MARVIN HAGLER after a 3 year layoff.

Stop the foolishness.

[SUBZER0ED]

I recall ginger offering 150 a few months before the fight.

[MulaKO]

Oh chit
You gonna have a mob after you for exposing the great Floyd lol

[SUBZER0ED]

Oh chit
You gonna have a mob after you for exposing the great Floyd lol

Got to lay down some education!

[Joe Beamish]

no it's not lol. Leonard only moved two weight classes up.

1 Hagler = 100 Canelos

[DeeMoney]

True.

So do modern boxers even fight enough to be considered alongside the greats of yesterday? It's the same sport with vastly different performances.

For example, Fury tried to argue he was one of the best ever purely on the strength of his best two wins. Obviously both of those were questionable as all time great wins anyway but depth of resume was always a legitimate counter argument.

Does anyone have the depth now to be an ATG?

Its funny, theres a thread in the history section about all time top 10s, and I made a similar point. You'll never have a modern fighter be able to match the resume of the greats pre WWII because they just don't fight enough. Heck, you wouldnt even be sanctioned to fight as often as Greb or Armstrong did in some years nowadays.

But heres the thing, does that mean older fighters are by default greater? Can't we evaluate their ability in the ring to a certain extent without needing 200 fights of eivdence to do it? I think we can. That doesn't mean I'd put Bud in my top 3 alltime, even with a win vs an aging Canelo. But maybe what Bud was referring to isnt an accumulated resume, but rather an in ring ability.

[DeeMoney]

Given the circumstances, Ray Leonard's victory over Hagler is FAR more impressive than Bud potentially beating Canelo.

I think Leonard's win over Hearns was better than his win over Hagler. Yeah in the Hagler fight Leonard was coming off a hiatus, but Hagler had been inactive for over year. Moreover Hagler was past his prime, heck it was his last fight ever. But against Hearns he was beating a closer to prime Hearns. Leonard's KO vs hearns was better than his W over Hagler, but all anyone cares about is moving up in weight, so it never gets the credit it deserves.

[gamesworn]

I stopped arguing with Floyd Fanboys when talking about him. They live in a different bubble than the rest of the world. Especially this boxing forum, Floyd has a legion here lol