Crawford says he is Top 3 ATG with Robinson and Ali if he beats Canelo at 168

[MalevolentBite]

It's an ooooold sport, and "ATG" is a VERY large mountain to climb, Bud.

To further illustrate, I'll Divide the Modern (gloved) Era in half, into two 65 year blocks; and make a top 30 all-time list for each period.

Bud is a great fighter, NO DOUBT, but he's not much of an historian, LOL.



1894 - 1959
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Sam Langford
4. Willie Pep
5. Joe Louis
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Benny Leonard
8. Abe Attell
9. Jack Johnson
10.Mickey Walker
11.Jack Dempsey
12.Gene Tunney
13.Tony Canzoneri
14.Joe Gans
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy Wilde
17.Marcel Cerdan
18.Rocky Marciano
19.Jimmy McLarnin
20.Stanley Ketchel
21.Ezzard Charles
22.Georges Carpentier
23.Archie Moore
24.Barbados (Original) Joe Walcott
25.Bob Fitzsimmons
26.Jake LaMotta
27.Terry McGovern
28.Battling Nelson
29.Billy Conn
30.Sandy Saddler



1960 - 2025
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Roberto Duran
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Julio Cesar Chavez
7. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Salvador Sanchez
10.Jose Napoles
11.Wilfredo Gomez
12.Bob Foster
13.Eder Jofre
14.Thomas Hearns
15.Roy Jones Jr.
16.Alexis Arguello
17.George Foreman
18.Carlos Zarate
19.Bernard Hopkins
20.Oleksandr Usyk
21.Michael Spinks
22.Ruben Olivares
23.Larry Holmes
24.Pernell Whitaker
25.Lennox Lewis
26.Emile Griffith
27.Sonny Liston
28.Evander Holyfield
29.Wilfredo Benitez
30.Mike Tyson

Chavez number 6 really ? Idk man.

[Willow The Wisp]

Chavez number 6 really ? Idk man.

You have him higher or lower?

[crimsonfalcon07]

It's an ooooold sport, and "ATG" is a VERY large mountain to climb, Bud.

To further illustrate, I'll Divide the Modern (gloved) Era in half, into two 65 year blocks; and make a top 30 all-time list for each period.

Bud is a great fighter, NO DOUBT, but he's not much of an historian, LOL.



1894 - 1959
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Sam Langford
4. Willie Pep
5. Joe Louis
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Benny Leonard
8. Abe Attell
9. Jack Johnson
10.Mickey Walker
11.Jack Dempsey
12.Gene Tunney
13.Tony Canzoneri
14.Joe Gans
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy Wilde
17.Marcel Cerdan
18.Rocky Marciano
19.Jimmy McLarnin
20.Stanley Ketchel
21.Ezzard Charles
22.Georges Carpentier
23.Archie Moore
24.Barbados (Original) Joe Walcott
25.Bob Fitzsimmons
26.Jake LaMotta
27.Terry McGovern
28.Battling Nelson
29.Billy Conn
30.Sandy Saddler



1960 - 2025
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Roberto Duran
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Julio Cesar Chavez
7. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Salvador Sanchez
10.Jose Napoles
11.Wilfredo Gomez
12.Bob Foster
13.Eder Jofre
14.Thomas Hearns
15.Roy Jones Jr.
16.Alexis Arguello
17.George Foreman
18.Carlos Zarate
19.Bernard Hopkins
20.Oleksandr Usyk
21.Michael Spinks
22.Ruben Olivares
23.Larry Holmes
24.Pernell Whitaker
25.Lennox Lewis
26.Emile Griffith
27.Sonny Liston
28.Evander Holyfield
29.Wilfredo Benitez
30.Mike Tyson

Well said. That's a solid list of just amazing fighters. Who do you have pegged from the current group of active fighters as having a chance to break into ATG territory?

[Teetotaler23]

Bud's just been stirring the pot since the carnela deal got made

[HandsofIron]

Crawford didn't have to jump 2 weight classes to be ATG since he already is.

Right now, Crawford is top 10 ATG, if he cleans out 154 and beats Booty Ennis, he's top 5.

[TheProudLunatic]

Re Pacquiao, there's NO concrete evidence plus Crawford wasn't making those kind of accusations in the past when he was actively pursuing the Pacquiao fight. Otherwise, why would he want to fight Pacquiao if he TRULY believed he was a drugs cheat and jeopardize his health?

However, I agree with the rest of your post. Crawford deserves full credit for beating Spence (even if he had only fought twice in the 3 years prior due to his life-changing car crash). Having said that, the rest of his CV is AVERAGE at best as all of the biggest names he beat were badly damaged goods i.e. Khan, Brook, Porter etc.

"I never failed a test, either !"

AGAIN, Bud is not the only person saying Pac was using.
The fact that he dodged random blood tests is a huge factor.

Would you duck the random needle ?!?!?
I asked every Pac Boi and NOT ONE had the ballZ to answer.
Will you be the 1st ?!?!?!

Bud might end up on a "what could have been" list.

[hugh grant]

Not for me but if he wins you can at least entertain a discussion between him, Floyd and Roy as best p4p since Ray Leonard.

I would still favor Floyd and Roy.

A bud win over Nelo is better by far than any floyd win. Bud would be greater.
Buds got many asterix, but floyd has even more asterix.
Floyd gets penalised for being too cautious trying to get advantages 95% of time, only fighting at home, no rematches, and too remembered for why he didn't fight so and so, rather than who he fought....keeps going on about a unbeaten record when.most think floyd lost about 4 times? I could go on.

[TheProudLunatic]

A bud win over Nelo is better by far than any floyd win. Bud would be greater.
Buds got many asterix, but floyd has even more asterix.
Floyd gets penalised for being too cautious trying to get advantages 95% of time, only fighting at home, no rematches, and too remembered for why he didn't fight so and so, rather than who he fought....keeps going on about a unbeaten record when.most think floyd lost about 4 times? I could go on.

May's official last fight was 2017....
Let's compare !

McG > HORN (CPGW )
Berto > Vargas
MAY > PAC ( teeheee )
Maidana > Alcherry
Maidana < Timmeh (eh. benefit of the doubt)
Young Nelo >>>>>>>>> Timmeh
Guerrero > Baby Margarito
REAL Cotto > JMM
Ortiz < Timmeh
Shot Mosley > JMM
JMM > SUPER Shot Mosley
Hatton < Margarito
REAL DLH >>>>>>>>> Clottey
Baldomir > Cotto LITE
Zab > Hatton
Mitchell > Done La Hoya
Gatti > Diaz

It really is no contest

[hugh grant]

May's official last fight was 2017....
Let's compare !

McG > HORN (CPGW )
Berto > Vargas
MAY > PAC ( teeheee )
Maidana > Alcherry
Maidana < Timmeh (eh. benefit of the doubt)
Young Nelo >>>>>>>>> Timmeh
Guerrero > Baby Margarito
REAL Cotto > JMM
Ortiz < Timmeh
Shot Mosley > JMM
JMM > SUPER Shot Mosley
Hatton < Margarito
REAL DLH >>>>>>>>> Clottey
Baldomir > Cotto LITE
Zab > Hatton
Mitchell > Done La Hoya
Gatti > Diaz

It really is no contest

Lol this is bud v floyd, not pac v floyd?

[TheProudLunatic]

Lol this is bud v floyd, not pac v floyd?

When you Pac Bois flap them lips over resumes, well, what do you expect ?!?!?!?