Originally posted by hugh grant
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Crawford says he is Top 3 ATG with Robinson and Ali if he beats Canelo at 168
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It's an ooooold sport, and "ATG" is a VERY large mountain to climb, Bud.
To further illustrate, I'll Divide the Modern (gloved) Era in half, into two 65 year blocks; and make a top 30 all-time list for each period.
Bud is a great fighter, NO DOUBT, but he's not much of an historian, LOL.
1894 - 1959
1. Sugar Ray Robinson
2. Harry Greb
3. Sam Langford
4. Willie Pep
5. Joe Louis
6. Henry Armstrong
7. Benny Leonard
8. Abe Attell
9. Jack Johnson
10.Mickey Walker
11.Jack Dempsey
12.Gene Tunney
13.Tony Canzoneri
14.Joe Gans
15.Barney Ross
16.Jimmy Wilde
17.Marcel Cerdan
18.Rocky Marciano
19.Jimmy McLarnin
20.Stanley Ketchel
21.Ezzard Charles
22.Georges Carpentier
23.Archie Moore
24.Barbados (Original) Joe Walcott
25.Bob Fitzsimmons
26.Jake LaMotta
27.Terry McGovern
28.Battling Nelson
29.Billy Conn
30.Sandy Saddler
1960 - 2025
1. Muhammad Ali
2. Roberto Duran
3. Sugar Ray Leonard
4. Manny Pacquiao
5. Carlos Monzon
6. Julio Cesar Chavez
7. Marvelous Marvin Hagler
8. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
9. Salvador Sanchez
10.Jose Napoles
11.Wilfredo Gomez
12.Bob Foster
13.Eder Jofre
14.Thomas Hearns
15.Roy Jones Jr.
16.Alexis Arguello
17.George Foreman
18.Carlos Zarate
19.Bernard Hopkins
20.Oleksandr Usyk
21.Michael Spinks
22.Ruben Olivares
23.Larry Holmes
24.Pernell Whitaker
25.Lennox Lewis
26.Emile Griffith
27.Sonny Liston
28.Evander Holyfield
29.Wilfredo Benitez
30.Mike Tyson
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Originally posted by djtmal View Post
I agreeLast edited by hugh grant; 04-11-2025, 10:35 AM.
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Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
I do feel sorry for bud if all he thinks he has to do is beat Nel o then he can retire with pipe and slippers in front of fire on a fireside leather chair, with the knowledge hes as great as srr and Ali. Truth is, buds win over Nel o might be as good as any srr win or Ali win, but theyve deeper resumes
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Only if Ginger is considered a top 10 ATG. If Ginger isn't considered a top 10 ATG, there is no way a Bud win over Ginger makes him a top 3 ATG..
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Not for me but if he wins you can at least entertain a discussion between him, Floyd and Roy as best p4p since Ray Leonard.
I would still favor Floyd and Roy.LarryMerchant'sBottle likes this.
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Originally posted by TheProudLunatic View Post
Regarding the bold, Bud is not alone in that thought.
Use a search engine of your choice are search.
Not getting busted is just a matter of timely testing and if he's giving blood.
Not sure if Holy ever failed a test either!
Safe to assume?!?!?
Hardcore Bud fans hark back to his pre WW career
Pure meh, if I'm being honest
That leaves Spence, which is a solid W no matter how you cut it.
If Spence wanted to act the fool prior to the fight, that's on him.
Bud did what he was supposed to do.
If he plans on getting into the HOF, he needs Nelo's scalp....imho
However, I agree with the rest of your post. Crawford deserves full credit for beating Spence (even if he had only fought twice in the 3 years prior due to his life-changing car crash). Having said that, the rest of his CV is AVERAGE at best as all of the biggest names he beat were badly damaged goods i.e. Khan, Brook, Porter etc.
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