Welter greats Mayweather would have ducked

[djtmal]

I don't know what kind of guilt you are referring to.

Follow along will ya you said Floyd was su****ious of ped use

[travestyny]

Follow along will ya you said Floyd was su****ious of ped use

Right.

And you said Floyd was the sus-picious one, and I said you are welcome to your opinion.


I don't know where any guilt comes into it.

[djtmal]

Right.

And you said Floyd was the sus-picious one, and I said you are welcome to your opinion.


I don't know where any guilt comes into it.

Follow along will ya if Manny obliges Floyd's "su****ious" with no hard proof, that is admitting some guilt of ped use, confirming Floyd's su****ions

Glad he didn't fall for the trap back then

[travestyny]

Follow along will ya if Manny obliges Floyd's "su****ious" with no hard proof, that is admitting some guilt of ped use, confirming Floyd's su****ions

Glad he didn't fall for the trap back then

???

"Obliging susp-icions" is a very strange way to put it. Pacquaio already agreed to extra drug testing. According to what you are typing then, he already "obliged susp-icions."

The issue was not agreeing to extra testing. The issue was the timing of the testing.

[djtmal]

???

"Obliging susp-icions" is a very strange way to put it.

How many ways that has to be explained

Manny Pacquiao didn't have to agree to any Olympic Style testing simply because Floyd was scared or su****ious or whatever you want to call it

That was a hangup that he had

[travestyny]

How many ways that has to be explained

Manny Pacquiao didn't have to agree to any Olympic Style testing simply because Floyd was scared or su****ious or whatever you want to call it

That was a hangup that he had

He didn't have to agree to any Olympic Style testing but he did with the caveat that he didn't want to be tested within a whopping 30 days before the fight. He later went down to 24 days after he was busted giving blood 24 days before the Hatton fight. Any expert will tell you that random testing up until the day of the fight is most ideal. Mayweather's team offered no testing within 14 days before the fight. Pacquaio's team said no, sticking to needing 3 weeks to recover from giving a teaspoon of blood.

So again, do you believe he really needed 3 weeks to recover from giving a teaspoon of blood?

In the end he accepted a zero day cut-off. Could have just done that from jump if that would be the case.


I believe that this is what Freddie Roach was referring to when he admit that the reason the fight didn't come off during the 1st negotiation was more due to Pacquiao's side.

[Willie Pep 229]

How many ways that has to be explained

Manny Pacquiao didn't have to agree to any Olympic Style testing simply because Floyd was scared or su****ious or whatever you want to call it

That was a hangup that he had

I suspose one isn't to say this, because in the end Mayweather Jr. made so much money.

Bur how I see it . . .

Floyd's people were playing head games with Pacquiao and they lost control of the narative and with it the fight.

Mayweather's demands were unique to Pacquiao which makes them questionable.

But that's OK, that's called 'head games' -- but they misunderstood Pacquiao's need for the fight (which wasn't there).

Unlike other Mayweather opponents, who needed 'Money' to make their biggest payday. Pacquiao didn't need TUE to create a big payday.

IMO Mayweather's people pushed too hard in trying to win at the negotiation table, and ended up having to pay a libel settlement (an undisclosed amount) instead.

Which shows us they really weren't that savvy in controlling the narative.

See Leonard's demand for Hagler as an example of how to do it. But Hagler needed Leonard, while Pac Man didn't need Mayweather. Mayweather's people hadn't confronted that type of opponent before, one capable of generating his own equal revenue.

I think they misread Pacquiao, and in turn lost the fight, and worst yet had to pay Pacquiao for just walking away. Embarrassing!

As I said above, it is odd to accuse them of poor management considering all the money Money made, but I think this time they blew the fight and even had to pay money out-of-pocket not to have the fight. Ouch!

[travestyny]

I suspose one isn't to say this, because in the end Mayweather Jr. made so much money.

Bur how I see it . . .

Floyd's people were playing head games with Pacquiao and they lost control of the narative and with it the fight.

Mayweather's demands were unique to Pacquiao which makes them questionable.

But that's OK, that's called 'head games' -- but they misunderstood Pacquiao's need for the fight (which wasn't there).

Unlike other Mayweather opponents, who needed 'Money' to make their biggest payday. Pacquiao didn't need TUE to create a big payday.

IMO Mayweather's people pushed too hard in trying to win at the negotiation table, and ended up having to pay a libel settlement (an undisclosed amount) instead.

Which shows us they really weren't that savvy in controlling the narative.

See Leonard's demand for Hagler as an example of how to do it. But Hagler needed Leonard, while Pac Man didn't need Mayweather. Mayweather's people hadn't confronted that type of opponent before, one capable of generating his own equal revenue.

I think they misread Pacquiao, and in turn lost the fight, and worst yet had to pay Pacquiao for just walking away. Embarrassing!

As I said above, it is odd to accuse them of poor management considering all the money Money made, but I think this time they blew the fight and even had to pay money out-of-pocket not to have the fight. Ouch!

Saying Mayweather lost the fight due to Pacquaio not needing the fight speaks to my point.

I seriously doubt Mayweather is crying about the amount he lost from the lawsuit. He probably made 5x that much fighting some random Japanese dude in an exhibition. Bragging about him losing money from the lawsuit is like someone bragging that Pacquiao was originally offered a 50/50 split and because he claimed he needed 3 weeks to recover from drug testing, he got a 40/60 split in the end. "Ouch"...?? Does it really matter with the ridiculous amounts of money they made?

[djtmal]

He didn't have to agree to any Olympic Style testing but he did with the caveat that he didn't want to be tested within a whopping 30 days before the fight. He later went down to 24 days after he was busted giving blood 24 days before the Hatton fight.

That's false he requested 24 days Floyd said 14 then when Manny agreed to 14 Floyd moved the goalposts to zero. The negotiations broke down after that

Originally Olympic Style testing wasn't even a part of the original agreement. Floyd came back to the table with that demand in the 11th hr because he didn't want the fight anyway

He already did similar moves with Wright and Margarito.

[travestyny]

That's false he requested 24 days Floyd said 14 then when Manny agreed to 14 Floyd moved the goalposts to zero. The negotiations broke down after that

Originally Olympic Style testing wasn't even a part of the original agreement. Floyd came back to the table with that demand in the 11th hr because he didn't want the fight anyway

He already did similar moves with Wright and Margarito.

Nope. Pacquiao did not agree to 14 days during the first negotiation. This is common knowledge. You can hear it directly from him right here.

After he declined the 14 day cut-off, Mayweather's team immediately said his future fights won't have any cut-off. You can see the timeline here:

Both sides agreed to enter into on January 7, 2010, in hopes of coming to an agreement on the blood testing issue. Retired federal judge Daniel Weinstein, who successfully resolved a prior dispute between Top Rank and Golden Boy Promotions, would again act as mediator. Two days later, after hours of negotiating during mediation, Arum declared that the fight was officially off after Mayweather refused to agree to a 24-day cut-off date. Mayweather revealed that he offered a 14-day cut-off date to Team Pacquiao, but it was rejected.

Leonard Ellerbe declared on January 18, that random blood and urine testing will be implemented in all of Mayweather's future fights, regardless of the opponent.

On February 13, in an exclusive interview with David Mayo of The Grand Rapids Press, Mayweather said, "I gave him [Pacquiao] a chance, up to 14 days out. But my new terms are all the way up to the fight. They can come get us whenever, all the way up to the fight, random drug test. That's what it is."

After the failed negotiations, both boxers moved on to other fights. On March 13, 2010, Pacquiao defeated via unanimous decision and on May 1, 2010, Mayweather beat by a unanimous decision.

So now that we know Pacquiao declined because he wanted over 3 weeks to recover from giving a teaspoon of blood, do you buy that he really needed so much time? Or would a 14 day buffer have been adequate? Somehow I think you will avoid answering again, but at least I'll give you the opportunity to reply.