Another one about Colorline

[Mr Mitts]

No, both complement each other.

I didn't think you would include poor old Charlie Christian. He was one of the true pioneers of electric jazz guitar. And as you noted, it was first called swing and then swing jazz. It is just jazz. Jazz is one of the widest categories in music.

I want Brubeck, Goodman and Joe Pass too. The 3 greatest jazz guitarists so far IMO were Wes Montgomery, Django Reinhardt and Joe Pass; black, gypsy and white.

And Marche, I am crazy about Victor Wooten as well. He wrote and performed the only rap piece I ever liked with the Bella Fleck band. That is Vic's brother on the strange looking instrument called a drumitar. Bella Fleck is worth listening to in any setting, as are all of his band members.

It aches that rap is even called music, but even a music box keeps the word in its name. When is the first rap box coming out? Or has it already?

I recently wrote a long post in one of the rap threads, but did not publish it. They would never understand that rap is the single most destructive "music" genre in music's history. Rap is for 3rd grade mentalities, so why publish an article 3rd graders would not understand?

[Mr Mitts]

I now believe the latter.

I now believe he was important to the gradual growth of 'Black Power' but hindered integration.

But in his own time Jack Johnson represented one-half of the division African-American society was struggling with.

The black power of W.E.B duBois vs. the accommodation of Booker T. Washington's philosophy.

This might be a touch long but worth the read. It is from Langston Hughes, he addresses the Jack Johnson side of the argument.

(Please note the 'Philadelphia Club Woman' is a black woman.)

Langston Hughes, "The Negro Artist and the Racial Mountain," The Nation. 1926

"Jazz to me is one of the inherent expressions of Negro life in America: the eternal tom-tom beating in the Negro soul - the tom-tom of revolt against weariness in a white world, a world of subway trains, and work, work, work; the tom-tom of joy and laughter, and pain swallowed in a smile.

Yet the Philadelphia club woman . . . turns her nose up at jazz and all its manifestations - likewise almost everything else distinctly racial. . . . She wants the artist to flatter her, to make the white world believe that all Negroes are as smug and as near white in soul as she wants to be. But, to my mind, it is the duty of the younger Negro artist . . . to change through the force of his art that old whispering "I want to be white," hidden in the aspirations of his people, to "Why should I want to be white? I am Negro - and beautiful."

Certainly Langston Hughes was a Jack Johnson fan. Yet many blacks of the day were not.

The black community today, still struggles with this division.

Hughes was a good poet but not a great one. He was still better than Maya Angelou.

[Marchegiano]

yeah, I was checking in on opinions toward elevating the colored title to equal again.


I know I do that more or less annually, but still, I'd like to know peoples' opinions. We have some new users, some old users have had some change in attitudes else where.

[QueensburyRules]

I didn't think you would include poor old Charlie Christian. He was one of the true pioneers of electric jazz guitar. And as you noted, it was first called swing and then swing jazz. It is just jazz. Jazz is one of the widest categories in music.

I want Brubeck, Goodman and Joe Pass too. The 3 greatest jazz guitarists so far IMO were Wes Montgomery, Django Reinhardt and Joe Pass; black, gypsy and white.

And Marche, I am crazy about Victor Wooten as well. He wrote and performed the only rap piece I ever liked with the Bella Fleck band. That is Vic's brother on the strange looking instrument called a drumitar. Bella Fleck is worth listening to in any setting, as are all of his band members.

It aches that rap is even called music, but even a music box keeps the word in its name. When is the first rap box coming out? Or has it already?

I recently wrote a long post in one of the rap threads, but did not publish it. They would never understand that rap is the single most destructive "music" genre in music's history. Rap is for 3rd grade mentalities, so why publish an article 3rd graders would not understand?

- - Rap for drive bys and c r a c k noggins.

[QueensburyRules]

yeah, I was checking in on opinions toward elevating the colored title to equal again.


I know I do that more or less annually, but still, I'd like to know peoples' opinions. We have some new users, some old users have had some change in attitudes else where.

- - They had the colored title and the white title, and in Mexico they had the Mexican title that Langford prob won at least once.

[billeau2]

Music tastes depend on how we grew up as well as where... My Dad was a Brass player and conductor for bands... So I loved classical music, along with the Salsa music that was blaring out of every other East Harlem tenement when I was a kid... But rap was the real pulse of the community, before that it was Motown and I retain a love for both.

Queen B I agree! Rap is great music to get psyched up lol, working out, otherwise. But alas, I am not so crazy for the new rap, with some exceptions. All music and culture is for everyone! My dad told me about South Korean pianists, etc who would bring tears to your eyes... And Swing Swing Swing? you can go on the tube and watch bands from all over the world busting this universal tome to human creativity out. There are many great white rappers, along with rappers from israel, China, etc... The common denominator is an appreciation for the music.

I say this as someone who can relate. I am not a fighter. I hate fighting. I was however trained to do it well, and I learned to appreciate the subtlety in the technical aspects, and became damn good at it! I fight with soul, undrstanding that my own breaking, trigger point is not a ring, a contest, it is defending against bullies... But I can marvel at the technical proficiency of great fighters all day long... Similar for food lol. Making a Nouvelle Cuisine reduction properly takes many hours, most people would lose interest, but once you appreciate why reducing food to its essential flavors and letting them speak to us is so special...

[billeau2]

True story regarding post above: The wife and I went shopping in Boise Idaho and stopped at a New Jersey Mikes sub shop. I had heard they were good, and had the right approach to sandwiches... being a New Yorker I am very particular about, when on rare occasion, I get a "hero" (what we called them), and how they should taste. I took one bite of the sub and had flashes of being a kid with my mother, going to perhaps the original location of Blimpies on second avenue. The fresh crisp lettuce, the taste of vinegar... It was divine! It hit me like a psychedelic! The sandwich was just like I remembered it. Delicious but the memory was the real special sauce.

[JAB5239]

True story regarding post above: The wife and I went shopping in Boise Idaho and stopped at a New Jersey Mikes sub shop. I had heard they were good, and had the right approach to sandwiches... being a New Yorker I am very particular about, when on rare occasion, I get a "hero" (what we called them), and how they should taste. I took one bite of the sub and had flashes of being a kid with my mother, going to perhaps the original location of Blimpies on second avenue. The fresh crisp lettuce, the taste of vinegar... It was divine! It hit me like a psychedelic! The sandwich was just like I remembered it. Delicious but the memory was the real special sauce.

Lol, I know this feeling!! It's funny though the names for sandwiches in different regions. You had heroes in New York. In Rhode Island we called them grinders, down here in NC they're called subs. In other places they're called hoagies. I do miss Rhode Islands version though. Fresh loaf of Italian bread baked right down the street, Deli meats freshly made fron another spot down the street, cheese made from another local spot and the Fresh veggies and vinegar and imported Italian olive oil!!! We've got a Jersey Mike's here, and it's good. But it's not like home!

[billeau2]

Lol, I know this feeling!! It's funny though the names for sandwiches in different regions. You had heroes in New York. In Rhode Island we called them grinders, down here in NC they're called subs. In other places they're called hoagies. I do miss Rhode Islands version though. Fresh loaf of Italian bread baked right down the street, Deli meats freshly made fron another spot down the street, cheese made from another local spot and the Fresh veggies and vinegar and imported Italian olive oil!!! We've got a Jersey Mike's here, and it's good. But it's not like home!

I think the New England states have the same thing as New York and New Jersey that way. The same traditions. I remember going to a nice Italian sandwich shop in Connecticut with my son while I was working and it was divine. I also remember as a kid you could walk into any Italian deli in Brooklyn and there was always some tough looking guy behind the counter who liked kids in a good way lol. And would make you these incredible sandwiches and ask for like a dollar lol

Jersey Mike's reminds me of blimpie's. They were never the best but they were really good compared to any of those other chains. The best for always privately owned places. Rhode Island definitely has that food culture! I love the different names lol.