In fighters and the heavyweights.

[Dr. Z]

In fighters and the heavyweights


From my observation very few heavyweight fighters are in good in fighters , and there is a notion out there that only shorter fighters and not tall super heavyweights can be in fighters. Really?

Since 1990 only Bowe has been a fine fighter in-fighter among heavyweights. Others such as Lewis were good in-fighters. Vitali Klitschko and even Tyson Fury are solid in-fighters. IMO, the upper cut is a tall man's punch, not a short man's punch. For openers being much taller than your opponent make it difficult to land such a punch. You don't want to miss an uppercut or you will be countered due to the trajectory of the punch and the recovery time of it! Secondly who were the guys who were short guys laying such a blow vs super heavyweights?

Tua, Tyson and Holyfield did nothing with the uppercut vs Bowe and Lewis. When matched vs. a sub 6'2 opponents they were all out the minus column vs skilled super heavyweights, weren't they? I would say yes. Toney did squat vs a taller heavyweight.

As it stands now, great height is an advantage on the inside, and great size is certainly an advantage in the cliches. The natural advantage is almost as great as an out fighter enjoys with a much greater reach.

[Marchegiano]

Ike currently has a thread about his potential. I'm wondering why he wasn't mentioned. He was a big guy who could handle the inside well.

[Dr. Z]

Ike currently has a thread about his potential. I'm wondering why he wasn't mentioned. He was a big guy who could handle the inside well.

What do you think of my points made?

[kara]

What do you think of my points made?

I think with Lewis they were too focused on landing that one-punch hook to expose his chin

[JAB5239]

Tyson did nothing with the uppercut? There is tons of video of him throwing this punch. In fact his right to the body, right uppercut are a masterpiece emulated by Tommy Morrison amongst others with great effect.

[Marchegiano]

What do you think of my points made?

I think it's poorly thought out. For example, who says an uppercut is an inside punch anyway? Tall HWs, like the ones you rambled on about tend to throw it at a distance. It's an angled punch not a close or far punch. If I want to smack you one from bottom up and at range I'll smack you one all the same.

Toney did squat at HW period.

Finally, I think giving a physical advantage to a body type then rather than seeing the flaw in that logic when it's untrue and substituting a weak excuse like but they weren't skilled though is pretty ******. Tyson, Tua, and Holy landed uppercuts on heaps of men bigger than them but since they're not Lewis you can tell yourself those only landed because of some skill issue without ever realizing that's a two way street and has nothing to do with height.

[Dr. Z]

Tyson did nothing with the uppercut? There is tons of video of him throwing this punch. In fact his right to the body, right uppercut are a masterpiece emulated by Tommy Morrison amongst others with great effect.

Did he land it much vs men Lewis size? Did Holyfield who fought two super heavyweights in Bowe and Lewis?

[JAB5239]

Did he land it much vs men Lewis size? Did Holyfield who fought two super heavyweights in Bowe and Lewis?

You apparently have never fought before. There is a reason shorter fighters don't throw this punch against taller fighters, unless said fighters are ducking down. Why does he need to land the uppercut on someone Lewis size (and yes I bet he has, but we know you don't pay your debts) when there are more effective and efficient punches from someone his height? The ******ity of your question is baffling. It's like asking why a 6'6" fighter would forsake the jab in order to fight inside and work the body against a 5'10" fighter.

[Dr. Z]

You apparently have never fought before. There is a reason shorter fighters don't throw this punch against taller fighters, unless said fighters are ducking down. Why does he need to land the uppercut on someone Lewis size (and yes I bet he has, but we know you don't pay your debts) when there are more effective and efficient punches from someone his height? The ******ity of your question is baffling. It's like asking why a 6'6" fighter would forsake the jab in order to fight inside and work the body against a 5'10" fighter.

Yet I continue to read that the fighters of yesteryear would destroy modern skilled super heavyweights. It's is bunk.

Yes you are correct short fighter don't throw this punch vs. much taller opponents!

Some taller fights work the body. Working the body is key, especially when facing a faster fighter as is slows them down.

You do not honor the bet I offered, so end that talk now.

You may PM me. I do not think you have experience at heavyweight ( do you? ) , so this conversations is like talking sex with a ******.

A 6'6" fighter with a greater reach has many advantages and doesn't have to commit to a body attack, giving the shorter man a chance to land. If the taller man is also mobile he can " zone " the shorter man keeping the fighter at a range where he cant hit and the other fighter can not. This is a reason why the 6 foot and under fighters are out in the modern heavyweight division and even good infighters like James Toney did not do much at heavyweight , and when Toney did it vs non- super heavies.

[Clegg]

Not quite understanding your reasoning.

So we're judging how good an inside fighter is based on how often they landed uppercuts on elite-level 6'5+ tall heavyweights? Does Tyson Fury gain or lose points for uppercutting himself?

If Bowe is the best inside fighter, surely Holyfield must be pretty good too considering how competitive he was with Bowe?