I appreciate your insight. Interesting read. I’ve always been skeptical of our own intelligence agencies as much as KGB or any other nation. Truth is, Marxists infiltrated the U.S decades ago, and each new generation is more radical than the previous. Notice AOC and the squad trying to set Pelosi aside for a more radical takeover of the party. These tactics have been discussed by former KGB agents who defected here. As far back as the 80’s.
Yuri talked about this in one of his lectures "the media portrays a police man, an officer of the United States Army as dumb,angry, psychotic, paranoid. A criminal looks nice he does hash or shoots the whatever drug, but basically he's a nice human being he's creative and he's unproductive only because society oppresses him"...exactly what is happening today with *** and defund police movements.
Ha ha I ain't gonna go too far down the rabbithole, man, I find that stuff curious but ultimately without point because if you follow it deep enough you have to conclude that there is ultimately no information that you can trust. Just becomes a kinda waste of time, I rather focus on stuff where you actually get useful answers at the end of it rather than just more doubt. Just fact checking on the various conspiracies Ms Koba finds on social media takes up more than enough of my time.
WRT Yuri there is an alternate theory stating that in fact Bezmenov and even earlier defectors were in fact themselves part of a deeper disinformation plot to sow dissent and paranoia within US intelligence and get the US government to crack down on progressive and ******* thought within the US, with the hope of formenting revolution or at least civil unrest. Another theory just holds that whilst there might have been elemnts of truth in Bezmenovs tales the man was also in a good part simply a charlatan who was feeding the folk who would pay most exactly what they wanted to hear.
Nice article on him here:
Course what I mainly wanted to draw your attention to however was simply that the article you refered to in the OP was from a known GRU disinformation site... you maybe stop to wonder that if that was disinformation how much of the other information you use to form your world view is also of dubious provenance? Never occur to you that maybe you been duped, man?
As to the rest... well *******ism tend to come with urbanisation man, people get exposed to new ideas and different kindsa people and have to live around 'em and interact with 'em every day they tend to get more tolerant, man. Ain't really no dark conspiracy required to explain why people get more ******* and flexible in their beliefs over time... you read much history, man? Look at any society of the past and you'll tend to find ******* (or decadent as some would have it) ideas and practices tend to become more commonplace as societies mature and urbanise.
And honestly, man, what you dudes call Marxism and Socialism ain't really what I think of it at all... damn even your ********s would basically be regarded as a center, maybe center right party by European standards... ain't no-one in Congress calling for nationalisation of Americas means of production man, or even anything more than some really very modest wealth redistribution programs. I was brought up traditional hard left man, and I know what I'm looking at... your Dems ain't it, not by a long shot.
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Ha ha I ain't gonna go too far down the rabbithole, man, I find that stuff curious but ultimately without point because if you follow it deep enough you have to conclude that there is ultimately no information that you can trust. Just becomes a kinda waste of time, I rather focus on stuff where you actually get useful answers at the end of it rather than just more doubt. Just fact checking on the various conspiracies Ms Koba finds on social media takes up more than enough of my time.
WRT Yuri there is an alternate theory stating that in fact Bezmenov and even earlier defectors were in fact themselves part of a deeper disinformation plot to sow dissent and paranoia within US intelligence and get the US government to crack down on progressive and ******* thought within the US, with the hope of formenting revolution or at least civil unrest. Another theory just holds that whilst there might have been elemnts of truth in Bezmenovs tales the man was also in a good part simply a charlatan who was feeding the folk who would pay most exactly what they wanted to hear.
Nice article on him here:
Course what I mainly wanted to draw your attention to however was simply that the article you refered to in the OP was from a known GRU disinformation site... you maybe stop to wonder that if that was disinformation how much of the other information you use to form your world view is also of dubious provenance? Never occur to you that maybe you been duped, man?
As to the rest... well *******ism tend to come with urbanisation man, people get exposed to new ideas and different kindsa people and have to live around 'em and interact with 'em every day they tend to get more tolerant, man. Ain't really no dark conspiracy required to explain why people get more ******* and flexible in their beliefs over time... you read much history, man? Look at any society of the past and you'll tend to find ******* (or decadent as some would have it) ideas and practices tend to become more commonplace as societies mature and urbanise.
And honestly, man, what you dudes call Marxism and Socialism ain't really what I think of it at all... damn even your ********s would basically be regarded as a center, maybe center right party by European standards... ain't no-one in Congress calling for nationalisation of Americas means of production man, or even anything more than some really very modest wealth redistribution programs. I was brought up traditional hard left man, and I know what I'm looking at... your Dems ain't it, not by a long shot.
I’m not duped, because contrary to popular belief here, I am not a far right neocon. I have said it on here before, extreme beliefs have more in common than people realize, whether you are on the far right or radical left. It is a form of collectivism. Each party convinces the other party that they represent Americas best interests. They each believe in big government, hold similar views on foreign policy and both advocate for the protection and bailout of the banks.
People want to believe that if they vote they somehow had some control over the process. As if their side won and everything will be better now. It never works that way.
I never voted in my life until Trump. I liked him as an outsider. Someone who may not change the landscape of the country all that much (he has to go up against too much power on both sides), but could expose some of the gaping flaws in our democracy and much of the bias present in he mainstream media. He accomplished that and then some. He pulled back the curtain on big tech and social media bias, news networks and their bias, and now the corruption of our election process. Not to mention the corruption of the Washington swamp that allows hard evidence of corruption by a VP and his son to be dismissed by an entire party.
Four to eight years from now we will elect a ********** president and the tug of war for power and control continues in the house and senate. We will pay more in taxes, take a hit on 401K, and see inevitable inflation. Life will go on. More wars will eventually be fought and big tech, defense contractors, and Washington elites will continue to pull the puppet strings.
I’m not duped, because contrary to popular belief here, I am not a far right neocon. I have said it on here before, extreme beliefs have more in common than people realize, whether you are on the far right or radical left. It is a form of collectivism. Each party convinces the other party that they represent Americas best interests. They each believe in big government, hold similar views on foreign policy and both advocate for the protection and bailout of the banks.
People want to believe that if they vote they somehow had some control over the process. As if their side won and everything will be better now. It never works that way.
I never voted in my life until Trump. I liked him as an outsider. Someone who may not change the landscape of the country all that much (he has to go up against too much power on both sides), but could expose some of the gaping flaws in our democracy and much of the bias present in he mainstream media. He accomplished that and then some. He pulled back the curtain on big tech and social media bias, news networks and their bias, and now the corruption of our election process. Not to mention the corruption of the Washington swamp that allows hard evidence of corruption by a VP and his son to be dismissed by an entire party.
Four to eight years from now we will elect a ********** president and the tug of war for power and control continues in the house and senate. We will pay more in taxes, take a hit on 401K, and see inevitable inflation. Life will go on. More wars will eventually be fought and big tech, defense contractors, and Washington elites will continue to pull the puppet strings.
Mmm. How about I propose an alternative viewpoint where your 'swamp' is real, an entrentched political elite farming (for want of a better term) the general populace mainly for the purpose of enriching themselves, their colleagues and sponsors in business, but that Trump - and other populists like him in other countries -aren't the saviours of the common man and traditional values.
What if I painted the new wave of populists around the world as merely the new, ruthless gang on the block trying to take their slice of the action by whatever means necessary? Opposed to the mfers who take advantage of us sure, and trying to take advantage of their complacency but not in any way with our best interests at heart... trying to gain popularitity by offering strength and certitude in the face of division and uncertainty which they are themselves helping to sow.
The enemy of your enemy ain't always your friend, man.
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Mmm. How about I propose an alternative viewpoint where your 'swamp' is real, an entrentched political elite farming (for want of a better term) the general populace mainly for the purpose of enriching themselves, their colleagues and sponsors in business, but that Trump - and other populists like him in other countries -aren't the saviours of the common man and traditional values.
What if I painted the new wave of populists around the world as merely the new, ruthless gang on the block trying to take their slice of the action by whatever means necessary? Opposed to the mfers who take advantage of us sure, and trying to take advantage of their complacency but not in any way with our best interests at heart... trying to gain popularitity by offering strength and certitude in the face of division and uncertainty which they are themselves helping to sow.
The enemy of your enemy ain't always your friend, man.
The eat the rich mentality is flawed. Trump may have had his own motives at heart, but he was a Washington outsider nonetheless. This scared the shyt out of the establishment. This is why they went in guns a blazing with everything they had to take him down during his presidency. This never happened before; not to Bush, Reagan or even Nixon for that matter.
You have to ask who has the most to win or lose by getting him out of power. Establishment **********s didn’t like him, but they knew they needed him for the greater good of the party as a whole. Now that he is out many will turn on him. He brought too much unwanted attention to Washington. He also did a better job in four years than any professional politician prior. Embarrassed the career politicians who couldn’t get out of their own way on both sides.
The left hated McCain before Trump came along. ***** put him in his place after winning the election. His loyal sheep followed. McCain was a corrupt RINO, caught up in the Keating Five scandal. He was carried by his war record. It wasn’t until Trump bashed him that ******** rallied around him on a United front to keep him out of office. McConnell, Graham, and the rest are not much better.
The eat the rich mentality is flawed. Trump may have had his own motives at heart, but he was a Washington outsider nonetheless. This scared the shyt out of the establishment. This is why they went in guns a blazing with everything they had to take him down during his presidency. This never happened before; not to Bush, Reagan or even Nixon for that matter.
You have to ask who has the most to win or lose by getting him out of power. Establishment **********s didn’t like him, but they knew they needed him for the greater good of the party as a whole. Now that he is out many will turn on him. He brought too much unwanted attention to Washington. He also did a better job in four years than any professional politician prior. Embarrassed the career politicians who couldn’t get out of their own way on both sides.
The left hated McCain before Trump came along. ***** put him in his place after winning the election. His loyal sheep followed. McCain was a corrupt RINO, caught up in the Keating Five scandal. He was carried by his war record. It wasn’t until Trump bashed him that ******** rallied around him on a United front to keep him out of office. McConnell, Graham, and the rest are not much better.
It's just amazing to me more don't see this. But they hate the man so much for God knows what. That they can't see past it. They've been brainwashed.
It's just amazing to me more don't see this. But they hate the man so much for God knows what. That they can't see past it. They've been brainwashed.
Most of these sheep have been systematically brainwashed. Taught WHAT to think instead of how to think. Whether it’s about politics, race, gender, guns, etc. I see very little in the way of skepticism, free-think, or individual thought. They are content to follow the herd so long as they are being told what they want to hear.
The first president to keep us out of any significant wars since Reagan. Record unemployment rates, lowest poverty levels since the 1950s, highest GDP growth, thriving markets, not to mention the rest he accomplished all while fending off bogus investigations, an impeachment and a pandemic which I still believe was intentionally unleashed on us.
We should start a pool to see how long before we are in another major war or how soon and how often ***** will blame Trump for all of the things he promised he would fix but couldn’t? Same way ***** blamed Bush for eight years when he couldn’t fix it. Then tries to take credit for Trump’s success.
This is some the dumbest sh-t I've heard (read) all day. And, I read the Trump response to being a total loser, popular vote and Electoral College and life (wife won't even sleep with him).
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