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Roberto Duran is literally the most overrated boxer in history

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    #71
    Hey OP Sugar Ray Robinson also lost to D level guys how you feel about that?

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      #72
      All ATGs are overrated and most of them have bad losses. Duran is ATG for two reasons. He is weight jumper and fought much bigger fighters than himself. And, his some techniques (like turning head) is using even today.

      So, he got significant place in history. For sure he is overrated H2H fighter. Modern skilled fighters would whoop him. But, challenges are road to greatness.

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        #73
        Yes, he lost but most agree when he lost he wasn't at his best fir whatever reason so might not be professional at all times. So it's a case of when he lost you thought to yourself at his best that wouldn't of happened.
        If he wasn't great he wouldn't have best barkley or did so well v hagler. And SRL and hagler will tell you how good duran was if you want to know.
        Losing isn't a barrier to greatness just like having an unbeaten record isn't a stepping stone to greatness

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          #74
          If someone fights 120 fights till the age of 50, 100% you will have an off night once in a while haha.

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            #75
            I believe he’s 1-4 against Hearns Hagler SRL.. He couldn’t handle them 3 American boys and by todays standards he beat a green and inexperienced SRL according to those who ranked Floyd’s win over Canelo. The second fight with SRL he quit. The third fight was one of the worse fights in boxing history. Got knocked out cold by Hearns in less than 5mins. When speaking of his resume his fans usually use his split decision win of Iran Barkley as one of his best wins. People tend to overrate things of the past due to nostalgia. If he were an American in this era his resume would be picked apart by critics.
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              #76
              Originally posted by SugarRayCurtain View Post
              This "ATG" lost to C level fighters in Robbie Sims and Kirkland Laing
              Literally beat only one good opponent in a green SRL and thats only because he decided to brawl with Duran, and Duran still almost lost

              He got absouletly humiliated by Thomas Hearns who was chinny and gets praised for beating a novice, C level fighter in Davey Moore and a guy whos lost like 10 times in Iran Barkley.
              Yet people actually call this bum an "ATG", he fought cab drivers as a lightweight and the first decent guy he fought he lost too in esteban and lets face it esteban isnt really anything special

              Find it hilarious when people say Duran would beat Pacquiao or Mayweather, he would literally be a stepping stone for those guys onto bigger and better things. He has absolutely NOTHING on them, Nothing.
              To be an ATG you actually have to win your high profile fights, not lose just about all of them. He couldnt even beat above average fighters who ATGs should be beating like Benetiz.

              As i said, literally the most overrated boxer in history. He beat a bunch of ok fighters but everytime he stepped up he lost. Thats the story of his fat tomato can durans career.
              Ok:

              Maybe you are young or don't know the stories because you were not living in Latin America at the time, let me tell you 2 things about two of his losses one been Leonard II and the other one the Hearns fight:

              1- Everyone knew at the time not to bet against Leonard on the second fight just because Omar Torrijo's brother had a bet on Leonard. Everyone knew Duran was going to loose that one in a strange fashion, so he did. Otherwise he would have been in a strange car accident.

              2- A month, maybe 3 weeks before the fight Duran was in the DR singing and drinking rum like crazy. He did not train for that fight at all.
              There must be clips of him on a ****** show called El Show del Mediod�a.

              Some things are not lost in the ring, some are lost out of the ring.

              A Prime trained Dur�n would have swept the floor with Hearns.

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                #77
                Yes, Duran lost but if people are of the belief Duran wasnt at his best on the night for whatever reason, they wont downgrade Duran too much for a loss. I mean Henry armstrong lost 4 of his first 5 fights and how much do people downgrade Henry for it, not much i bet. Do you really think people use Pacs loss to Torrecampo to downplay Pac historically? And at the other end of the spectrum just like for an example you dont neccesarily ass kiss someone who has an unbeaten record if you think they achieved it by getting advantages, or not fighting everyone or not fighting them at their best in their prime. You take each case on its own merit. Duran is only human in losing. But having fought SRL, Hearns, Hagler, you cant say Duran didnt reach for the stars, he fought everyone?
                And he did so much in the lower weights but wasnt looking for advantages in the higher weight classes as far as i know.
                Last edited by hugh grant; 10-14-2022, 08:40 AM.

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                  #78
                  Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
                  Yes, Duran lost but if people are of the belief Duran wasnt at his best on the night for whatever reason, they wont downgrade Duran too much for a loss. I mean Henry armstrong lost 4 of his first 5 fights and how much do people downgrade Henry for it, not much i bet. Do you really think people use Pacs loss to Torrecampo to downplay Pac historically? And at the other end of the spectrum just like for an example you dont neccesarily ass kiss someone who has an unbeaten record if you think they achieved it by getting advantages, or not fighting everyone or not fighting them at their best in their prime. You take each case on its own merit. Duran is only human in losing. But having fought SRL, Hearns, Hagler, you cant say Duran didnt reach for the stars, he fought everyone?
                  And he did so much in the lower weights but wasnt looking for advantages in the higher weight classes as far as i know.
                  Fighting everyone means nothing you have to actually win the fights. Fighters aren’t ranked based on who they fought they are ranked based on who they beat. He was 1-4 against Hagler Hearns Leonard.

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                    #79
                    Originally posted by Amir Imam View Post

                    Fighting everyone means nothing you have to actually win the fights. Fighters aren’t ranked based on who they fought they are ranked based on who they beat. He was 1-4 against Hagler Hearns Leonard.
                    He beat also wiped out 135, beat a prime undefeated SRL who was favored to win, Dave moore, Iran Barkley. Won titles from 135-160. He's better than Hagler.

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                      #80
                      don't agree .. his losses mean nothing in the bigger picture guy was a beast and if he was fighting today I bet anything these modern day fighters would want nothing to do with that caveman
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