Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[Dr.Eisenfaust]

Klitschko paid the price for his big ego

I say this with all the respect due to my Ukrainian fellows.

Both Klitschko brothers are great sportsmen. Both are role models when it comes to sports. But what I used to like the most about them, was their humility, their manners. I , specially, liked Vitali for his amazing style and heart.

I must admit that the Ukrainian conflict was a first thorn put in my ribcage. I was quite confused seeing Wladimir Klitschko getting involved in politics. Everybody must be held accountable for their opinion and rightly so. But wouldn't it have been wiser to promote peace instead of jumping on the Russia hating bandwagon and even implicitly blaming ***** for the Malaysian airline crash by tweeting the headline of this tabloid that is " The Sun" ?

But then after, I wanted to focus only on boxing and not politics and I separated both and decided to move on.

Klitschko- Pulev got announced. Klitschko, as usual, was a true gentleman during the press conference before the fight and made Pulev eat his words in a spectaculare fashion. But since this fight, I can hardly recognize the Klitschko that I used to appreciate : his attitude prior to the Jennings fight really irritated me. He gave me the impression that he was thinking the fight was already won. He even sang a song a couple of days before the fight dedicated to Jennings who wasn't ****y during the press conferences. What was the result of that ? Klitschko was huffing and puffing during the fight and won a UD through sweat, blood and tears.

And I've said this before, I even made a thread on it , Fury was certainly no joke. I even said that he was more talented than Klitschko, some posters laughed at me.

I was fully uncertain about the outcome of the fight. The first reason being that I knew that Fury ws an amazing talent but also that I didn't like Klitschko's attitude AT ALL. Especially when he spoke about all this therapy nonsense etc... don't get me wrong, I don't like people that have a cheeky tongue, and Fury can be sometimes very irritating with all the insults coming out of his mouth but he was, at least, very GENUINE.

When I saw Fury entering the ring in the arena I knew that he came here to win it. I thought that he would get nervous but not at all. And he should be given props for that.

Klitschko must now bear the burden of his big ego. I've said it before on this forum that I didn't like what I've seen of him in and out of the ring, before, during and after the Jennings fight. I wanted him to make history and beat Joe Louis' record but he reaped what he sowed and rightly so.

Fury gave Klitschko a reality rehab and ended up being the therapist and Klitschko the patient.

Can Klitschko come backe mentally ? Yes definitely

Can Klitschko come back physically ? I doubt it.

He will have to take the rematch as soon as possible and time is ticking away.

2016 might be the last year where he can perform at this level in terms of athleticism. It's all double or quits for Klitschko right now.

Congratulations to the new king of the division, Tyson Fury.

[LacedUp]

manny Stewart was an amazing man. His work on Lewis was such that at times he would scream at Lewis...But lewis, great as he was, and I think he was a great fighter, could not change up in the ring so much! Ditto for Vlad. I would be shocked if anyone could show me an example of where instructions to Vlad from Manny, beyond, not to do things....(including holding) compelled Vlad to change his approach in the ring.

I don't think Banks, or Stewart, or perhaps jesus hisself could have gotten Vlad to throw more leather against a guy who had him flumoxed. Banks, like Stewart, is there with Vitali for support, for maybe a few tips now and then....thats about it. Thinking of it another way: did Vlad need Banks to tell him the situation?

Eddie Chambers spring to mind.

[billeau2]

Eddie Chambers spring to mind.

I will watch the fight again...Will Pm you. So to be clear....Vlad recieved instructions from his corner, other than to hold his man...and became more offensive based on these directions? Like changed a gear?

[LacedUp]

I will watch the fight again...Will Pm you. So to be clear....Vlad recieved instructions from his corner, other than to hold his man...and became more offensive based on these directions? Like changed a gear?

Yeah it wasn't impressive though. Took Steward like 5 rounds of shouting at Wlad before he threw a left hook with 10 seconds to go.

But that's about what I remember.

[billeau2]

Yeah it wasn't impressive though. Took Steward like 5 rounds of shouting at Wlad before he threw a left hook with 10 seconds to go.

But that's about what I remember.

Just had to watch part of that again....typical vlad opponent. Despite his size, he is squared up, has no foot movement what-so-ever, no head movement. The guy can't even step when he punches, so he can't really hit his target unless it is stationary.

What kind of opponent is this? In a relatively strong division there is no way Chambers would fight any contender, much less the champ. Then you have Sam Peter, another guy who Elroy tells us is so much better than Liston. Yeah right!!!

[juggernaut666]

manny Stewart was an amazing man. His work on Lewis was such that at times he would scream at Lewis...But lewis, great as he was, and I think he was a great fighter, could not change up in the ring so much! Ditto for Vlad. I would be shocked if anyone could show me an example of where instructions to Vlad from Manny, beyond, not to do things....(including holding) compelled Vlad to change his approach in the ring.

I don't think Banks, or Stewart, or perhaps jesus hisself could have gotten Vlad to throw more leather against a guy who had him flumoxed. Banks, like Stewart, is there with Vitali for support, for maybe a few tips now and then....thats about it. Thinking of it another way: did Vlad need Banks to tell him the situation?

Manny pleaded with Wlad to k.o Calvin Brock with the left hook all the way up to i think the last round ,stating he hsd to make a statement that the k.o is there take it . Unfortunatly unless you get on Wlad he will not perform to his capabilities usually ,this is what bothers me that he needs motivation ,if his trainer cannot do that he needs another , its not his skills that needs work ,its his mentality !

[billeau2]

Manny pleaded with Wlad to k.o Calvin Brock with the left hook all the way up to i think the last round ,stating he hsd to make a statement that the k.o is there take it . Unfortunatly unless you get on Wlad he will not perform to his capabilities usually ,this is what bothers me that he needs motivation ,if his trainer cannot do that he needs another , its not his skills that needs work ,its his mentality !

Its also the depth of skills to draw upon. But to be fair Lewis was much the same way. Stewart pleaded with Lewis during the Tyson fight, and when Lewis had that look in his eyes, vis a vis the rahman and atomic bull fight, it was hopeless! But i think Lewis, while not having great movement in the ring had a lot better so than Vlad. I think Lewis was a much more complete fighter.

Brock was such a fight, much like the chambers fight, where it was a matter of being in the drivers seat and imposing oneself. There was no threat from either guy and no need to make a fundamental change.

[Weltschmerz]

Do you think that Banks does most of his work in the gym preparing Vlad? At his stage he probably needs less "solutions", not that a few tips from banks wouldn't have been helpful. Even Stewart really didn't give him many technical points so much as kept him doing the things that he was being succesful doing.

I don't know if i think Banks is a weakness, or not...I can't imagine a trainer who could make Vlad overcome a fighter who moves well in the ring and who knows how to feint, at this point in his career...but that is just an opinion.

Maybe, I was surpsrised how passive Banks was, he is supposed to see things Vlad doesn't see in there. He should have urged Vlad to press much earlier and take risks like he did in the last few rounds only, mostly the 12th when Fury looked ready to go.

A rematch will be interesting, we need an aggressive Vlad, he was frankly timid last night.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Where's my points you owe me?

I sent you a quint, the bet was 10/1 when you had a solitary quadrillion. So I've sent you something considerably more significant, i figure what is 10Quad is but a small drop in an ocean now. the 10/1 dont stand on the Quint you got off of Javier.

Enjoy them, I'm coming back for them when the rematch is sanctioned.

[Jewish-Reptile]

Maybe, I was surpsrised how passive Banks was, he is supposed to see things Vlad doesn't see in there. He should have urged Vlad to press much earlier and take risks like he did in the last few rounds only, mostly the 12th when Fury looked ready to go.

A rematch will be interesting, we need an aggressive Vlad, he was frankly timid last night.

Amen to that, Wlad never humbled Fury early, never made him respect him. In a way I am glad Fury took it on points, it goes to show Wlad can't just walk through everyone and unifying the four belts isn't as easy as first thought, ok he's lost the consecutive defences but their are other records to be broken yet.

It is achievable.