Official Tyson Fury vs Wladimir Klitschko Post Fight Discussion Thread

[KnockoutNed]

People need to realize that Vladimir is way better now in every aspect than he was 10 years ago. You can go on about his 3 defeats all you want. It is not the same fighter.

Wlad got destroyed by a shot version of Sanders. It wasn't a shot Wlad.
If you think another version of Wlad from another year does better , then I put forward a younger , faster and better Sanders.
If old , shot Sanders pasted him in two - prime Sanders does it in ONE.

[Simurgh]

Nah, he's fought a wide range of much better fighters... Fury is interesting because of the right timing, like with Haye for instance. But Fury doesn't have much of a resume and hasn't fought anybody near Vlad's caliber and experience, especially.

Many fighters would beat Fury. I think Wilder has a greater chance of upsetting Vlad with his power. Fury is an adapter, as he says himself, but Vlad has fought much better fighters throughout his career.

Yes, I could agree Fury doesn't have enough experience but I just can't see this fight not being competitive. Fury will probably box in southpaw stance and Wlad would need to rely less on his jab. Also I am sure Fury studied Wlad to death. He will know what he needs to do.

I can see Fury being clipped by something big and going down, but it won't be easy to find Fury as Wlad doesn't go to the body much.

I think Fury would destroy Wilder.

[Weltschmerz]

Yes, I could agree Fury doesn't have enough experience but I just can't see this fight not being competitive. Fury will probably box in southpaw stance and Wlad would need to rely less on his jab. Also I am sure Fury studied Wlad to death. He will know what he needs to do.

I can see Fury being clipped by something big and going down, but it won't be easy to find Fury as Wlad doesn't go to the body much.

I think Fury would destroy Wilder.

I agree Vlad might have to dig up something different, which is why it's interesting. Fury's problem seems to be he isn't a big puncher and his chin is suspect. But he has size, and he is better than say, Mariusz Wach.

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I agree Vlad might have to dig up something different, which is why it's interesting. Fury's problem seems to be he isn't a big puncher and his chin is suspect. But he has size, and he is better than say, Mariusz Wach.

He's far, far more skilled than Wach. As you say, the big question mark is Fury's chin and how he will react when Wlad lands something clean.

[Weltschmerz]

He's far, far more skilled than Wach. As you say, the big question mark is Fury's chin and how he will react when Wlad lands something clean.

I can see Fury go down several times to get back up. He is a warrior and will come to win, unlike too many Vlad foes. Which is great and the reason why this is highly anticipated. Vlad knows the danger, make no mistake about it.

[Redd Foxx]

He's far, far more skilled than Wach. As you say, the big question mark is Fury's chin and how he will react when Wlad lands something clean.

We've seen Fury's chin. Am I the only one who recalls how horrendous it is? As Weltschmerz said, Fury will get up, repeatedly. He's a guy that doesn't quit, no matter how tired he is and I've yet to see him mentally quit either. That's why I like him and catch all his fights, despite his lack of talent.
I really don't think this is the intriguing match everyone wants it to be. It's a real mismatch. But, it's one of the most interesting matches we can put Wlad in so I have no problem with it.

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We've seen Fury's chin. Am I the only one who recalls how horrendous it is? As Weltschmerz said, Fury will get up, repeatedly. He's a guy that doesn't quit, no matter how tired he is and I've yet to see him mentally quit either. That's why I like him and catch all his fights, despite his lack of talent.
I really don't think this is the intriguing match everyone wants it to be. It's a real mismatch. But, it's one of the most interesting matches we can put Wlad in so I have no problem with it.

Is it horrendous? He's never been KTFO, or even hurt in a fight to my knowledge, yeah he's been knocked down a couple of times, but he got straight back up and went to work. A horrendous chin would be someone like David Price, who seemingly can't recover from big shots & loses his legs.

I don't know where this supposed lack of talent comes from either. Fury has gone to where he is right now on pure talent alone. He's previously come into fights grossly out of shape, has admitted drinking and partying before fights and yet has still found a way to win. How anyone can watch his performances against Chisora II and Hammer, and then claim that he has no talent is beyond me.

[billeau2]

Nah, he's fought a wide range of much better fighters... Fury is interesting because of the right timing, like with Haye for instance. But Fury doesn't have much of a resume and hasn't fought anybody near Vlad's caliber and experience, especially.

Many fighters would beat Fury. I think Wilder has a greater chance of upsetting Vlad with his power. Fury is an adapter, as he says himself, but Vlad has fought much better fighters throughout his career.

How can you say that? who is of much better calibre? Both guys have drank from the same well...Chisora, Johnson, etc. What superior fighters are out there that Vlad has beaten that are not of the calibre Fury has faced?

Yes Vlad has more experience but he has not fought categorically better opposition. Even your comment about range of fighters...while I can accept that to a degree is somewhat suspect. Cunningham for example is in a range that makes Fury somewhat experienced at fighting smaller bulldog type opposition all the way up through guys who are his own size.

Its not like Fury has come from an obscure association and fought kickboxers and is now facing a boxing champ...or some other such situation. I will give you that the Haye fight would have made Fury a much stronger opponent....win or lose. But to my way of thinking Fury did the right thing...

Lets say haye had beat fury. Fury would have had a talk with jesus (so to speak) and his family and the following would have been decided: If he wanted to continue he would have to learn how to box and not depend on his size and fighting heart....You see where I am going with this? Fury has, in essence done just that. Its almost as though he took the haye lesson to heart even though he never fought Haye. He developed his tools as a fighter which is what he should do.

my point is that to his credit Fury has rectified many question marks about his readiness, including experience, level of opposition, etc.

[billeau2]

The officiating is going to play a big role in this fight.

All you need is a ref who will enforce the rules and Wlad can be beaten by anybody.

Nobody thought a journeyman like Brewster was going to beat Wlad but because of the ref refusing Wlad illegally bear hug Brewster every time he came forward , he was able to get off and it didn't take long for Wlad to crumble once he began to get hit.

Wlad has no defence outside of the illegal hold. Take that away from -like in the Jennings fight and he can't even look impressive or come anywhere near the stoppage victory he was almost guaranteed to get.

You're not that hard to beat if you're running and holding on for your life against a slow mover like Sam Peter.

ALL we need is a ref in GERMANY that will not be like Sven Ottke's ref? is that what you are saying? Well according to that logic Ned, all I need is a five foot 8 120 pound brunette with more curves than the indy 500, no vocal cords, a big mouth, a flat head that fits a beer, and a sister that loves threesomes! And I know I am not asking for much, but how about a couple of mil, not a bil or anything, and a small modest 3 bedroom apartment on fifth avenue 2000-3000 squ ft is fine...I don't need one of those townhouses or anything...

[Weltschmerz]

How can you say that? who is of much better calibre? Both guys have drank from the same well...Chisora, Johnson, etc. What superior fighters are out there that Vlad has beaten that are not of the calibre Fury has faced?

Yes Vlad has more experience but he has not fought categorically better opposition. Even your comment about range of fighters...while I can accept that to a degree is somewhat suspect. Cunningham for example is in a range that makes Fury somewhat experienced at fighting smaller bulldog type opposition all the way up through guys who are his own size.

Its not like Fury has come from an obscure association and fought kickboxers and is now facing a boxing champ...or some other such situation. I will give you that the Haye fight would have made Fury a much stronger opponent....win or lose. But to my way of thinking Fury did the right thing...

Lets say haye had beat fury. Fury would have had a talk with jesus (so to speak) and his family and the following would have been decided: If he wanted to continue he would have to learn how to box and not depend on his size and fighting heart....You see where I am going with this? Fury has, in essence done just that. Its almost as though he took the haye lesson to heart even though he never fought Haye. He developed his tools as a fighter which is what he should do.

my point is that to his credit Fury has rectified many question marks about his readiness, including experience, level of opposition, etc.

Fury isn't a high caliber fighter. Chris Byrd, Ibragimov, Chambers, Povetkin, Haye, Pulev are for instance. He has fought and beat tough guys too, Chagaev, Botha, Wach, Sam Peter, etc... Fury just isn't among his top opposition.

But as I said, the timing with Fury is good, and I agree where you are going that Fury is ready in the sense that he probably wont be more ready than he is now, before Vlad retires anyway.

The thing with Vlad never having faced something like Fury is far fetched, he has faced lots of big guys, southpaw boxers too. Again, experience...