Comments Thread For: Dmitry Bivol made shrewd business move by flirting with Benavidez, boosting Saudi purse for Beterbiev trilogy

[Smash]

Fat Dan is just posting what the CSAC confirmed while adding "yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract claims". He didn't post anything confirming what he adds. The CSAC is an actual state agency that is governed by the state that adheres to state laws. I trust what the CSAC reports over Fat Dan's opinions any day of the week...

fat dan is just saying what everyone in boxing knows more like

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

fat dan is just saying what everyone in boxing knows more like

Fat Dan is just indirectly saying "I don't believe what the CSAC is reporting to the State, even though it's Public Record" without so much as proof nor a different financial figure to post. Nobody has directly refuted what has been filed and recorded with the State of California, I wonder why...

[Smash]

Fat Dan is just indirectly saying "I don't believe what the CSAC is reporting to the State, even though it's Public Record" without so much as proof nor a different financial figure to post. Nobody has directly refuted what has been filed and recorded with the State of California, I wonder why...

no hes not he just saying how boxing fighter payments actually work thats all, he might be fat but he actually talks with boxing insiders and camps as well

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

no hes not he just saying how boxing fighter payments actually work thats all, he might be fat but he actually talks with boxing insiders and camps as well

But he's not actually saying any of that, all he said was "and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says". He says that without posting shred of evidence or an actual amount that differs from what an actual state agency reported.

The guy just indirectly said "I don't believe what the CSAC is reporting". Read it again bro...

"and, yes, many have much higher guarantees than what the contract says"

So was the contract not real? Was it a fake contract that isn't binding???? Should the State not trust what the CSAC is reporting???

Was it Fat Dan that drew up the illegal non binding contract???

Whatever Turki paid Bud for working in California, must be reported to the state by law. If you're gonna tell me that you're positive that Bud was paid under the table for working in California, I can't or won't argue that because it isn't legal reported earnings, but I'll go along with that assumption and guess that Turki paid Bud $20 million under the table, what do you believe Turki paid Bud under the table??

[crimsonfalcon07]

1. As you stated, Bivol made $5 million for his fight against Canelo. Everybody makes bank fighting Canelo, because Canelo's fights sell. I was under the impression that Bivol made $2 million for the first Beterbiev fight, you are stating that he was only paid $1.9 million, no argument from me as I originally stated that I didn't believe he made $10 million for the first fight.

No, the 1.9 was for Lyndon Arthur, not Artur Beterbiev...

You also seem to be operating under some weird misapprehensions.

First, every fight contract I've ever seen has had an NDA attached. They tend to be pretty boilerplate, so I don't think I'll get in trouble for saying that. As a consequence, details of the contract that get shared with the press etc are ALWAYS done along the lines of "you didn't hear that from me, you understand," and names are never named, or your source, along with others, will never talk to you again and you're done in the business. That's why you don't ever see boxers or their teams coming out and discussing specifics about their pay, contracts, etc. When they do discuss pay, it will basically universally in the line of seeking an advantage in contract negotiations.

Many boxers actually don't really get all that involved in the contract negotiations, which is why you'll see things like Top Rank claiming they sent a $400K offer to Edwin De Los Santos, while he says he only saw a $225K offer from his promoter. And those numbers can be guaranteed purses, which is what gets reported to the state and sanctioning organizations, or they can be estimates of the total pay, depending on who's trying to get an angle, which includes things like sponsorships, PPV upsides, and the many other things that don't get included as part of the guaranteed purse.

When you hear things from people who are getting a percentage in some way, they're rarely accurate, in my experience. Generally I tend to place more trust in numbers from "unnamed sources" because they don't have any reason to change the numbers, while people who are involved always have an angle.

I am not sure why you're having such a hard time believing that the wealthiest people in the world would pay career high paydays that were sufficient to overcome cross promotional hurdles from people who said in the past they'd never make the fight, as was the case here. I am 1000% confident that $2 million range for either fighter wouldn't have gotten the fight made, simply because the percentages made by Arum etc would have been essentially chump change compared to the risk of losing the belts and future percentages. Remember, the people you think are underpaying here make enough in passive income to buy PBC or Top Rank outright in 2 hours. A 20 million combined purse is a matter of minutes of passive income.

I have a much harder time believing that PBC can come up with more than half again as much for Bivol as he made vs Canelo in order for him to fight Benavidez, whose only PPV's have been under 200K buys being as generous as possible to him. Remember, if Sulaiman is to be believed, that offer is just for Bivol. And they think Benavidez is the A-side, so they were trying to demand that the fight happen in the US. So where's all that money coming from? They don't break even with $90 PPV PBC on Prime at the kind of demonstrated buys from Benavidez with a $8 million guarantee for Bivol.

There's just a thousand details that don't add up to Sulaiman telling the truth. And frankly, boxers don't really care to tell others what their purses are. I've never told anyone who didn't need to know how much I made from my fights, both because I'm not legally allowed to, and because, frankly, it's none of their business. That kind of information is just for fans to enjoy speculating about, and if they knew even half of what goes on for real, there'd be a lot of heads rolling. Combat sports, particularly the ones that are doing good business, are VERY corrupt, and there's a lot of interest in it staying that way.

Anyways, that's been my experience. If you want to believe Sulaiman, be my guest, but I suspect the rest of us will doubt your sanity as a result.

[Smash]

but I'll go along with that assumption and guess that Turki paid Bud $20 million under the table, what do you believe Turki paid Bud under the table??

i already answered that

your 20 mil figure is plainly ridiculous tho

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

i already answered that

your 20 mil figure is plainly ridiculous tho

But you didn't answer. How much do you believe Bud was paid under the table? We know that $2.7 million is a figure that was reported to the state, what's the different amount you believe he made? Honest question...

As for $20 million being a ridiculous amount, why? There are some folks who believe that Bud made at least that much...

[brankobugarski]

Why dont some people understand that Bivol is not ducking by fighting a more dangerous fighter in Betebiev

Correct ... and he is following the money. Given that everybody is arguing about purses for days, because most of it is just speculation and nothing can be proven, the only sensible thing to conclude is that Bivol is doing what makes the most business sense to him.

Bivol has fought Canelo arguably at or close to his (Canelo's) peak and has fought Betrebiev when he had a 100% KO record so it is a long stretch of the bow to suggest that he is scared of someone and ducking someone. Given that he has chosen to fight Beterbiev again and given that there are no reliable authoritative sources of ACTUAL (not guaranteed) purses the only logical conclusion is that Bivol is doing what makes the most business sense for himself and his family.

Fighting Inoue or Beterbiev (before Bivol fought him) was considered the most dangerous assignment in boxing and the bravest thing you could do as a professional athlete. So for people now to come out and claim that Bivol is ducking Benavidez by agreeing to fight Beterbiev again is simply laughable ... beyond stoopid.

[tokon]

Benavidez - Smith is the next best fight for them both.

[wrecksracer]

they probably dangled a Canelo rematch in front of Bivol. You think they didn't? Which direction would you go? There's all the time in the world for a Benevidez fight. Next year. The year after. Does anybody owe Benevidez a favor? He's on the other side of the street, lol. How's that. PBC? I like Benavidez, but he's 3rd in line here.