Floyd Rewatching Marquez-Pacquiao IV

[SouthpawRight]

LMAO what conspiracy theory? It's a FACT that Marquez started working with a KNOWN steroid distributor during his 3rd fight with Manny & continued into the 4th. The guy he was working with (Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia) "admitted providing Graham's athletes, including Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Justin Gatlin, with steroids, EPO and human growth hormone" according to the article below which was written PRIOR to their final fight!

In fact, the article even questioned Marquez's sudden muscular transformation and ability to life huge weights out of nowhere and correctly PREDICTED that a stoppage victory would be highly questionable. See quotes below:-


"Now, Marquez's physique has undergone a transformation every bit as dramatic as the one baseball star Barry Bonds did in the second half of his legendary career. He has big, bulging biceps, thick shoulders and a wide, broad chest. He accomplished this after he turned 38 and only after he hired Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia as his strength and conditioning coach."

"If he dominates or knocks out Pacquiao, he likely won't receive the acclaim and the respect he seeks because so many would believe it to be a tainted victory."



Lol and guess what happened? Conspiracy my (_!_)!

As for Manny and catchweights, it's true that he fought Cotto at 145lbs but it was his FIRST fight at Welterweight having previously just stopped Hatton for the Light Welterweight title. As for Margarito, he's a 6ft weight bully so was boiling himself down to beat up smaller guys when he really should've been fighting in a higher weight division himself.

Anyway, NONE of this changes the fact that Mayweather is the king of cherry-picking and catchweights. E.g. forcing Marquez to climb 2 weight divisions (he previously fought at Lightweight) to fight him at a catchweight and then coming in heavier himself and draining Canelo as much as possible to give himself the edge. Let's not forget that he also fought Hatton at Welterweight whereas Pacquiao STOPPED him in his natural weight class. Hatton had never fought at Welterweight prior to facing Floyd.

this a new low for the manny bois:

all allegations zero proof BUT BUT JUAN USED BETTER STEROIDZ THAN MY MANNY!!



How can Cotto have been manny’s FIRST welterweight bout when he fought Oscar prior at 147

You get hyper emotional over manny and have failed to present the facts multiple times

And that Hatton who got beat up by Floyd was undefeated. manny’s Hatton took a beating on his way to getting knocked out by Floyd

at least Floyd fought Alvarez and 11-1’d him. manny’s single super welter outing was against the great antogi margarito lmao

Floyd beat Oscar in his natural weight. manny was blessed with a weight drained zombie punching bag

[IronDanHamza]

this a new low for the manny bois:

all allegations zero proof BUT BUT JUAN USED BETTER STEROIDZ THAN MY MANNY!!



How can Cotto have been manny’s FIRST welterweight bout when he fought Oscar prior at 147

You get hyper emotional over manny and have failed to present the facts multiple times

And that Hatton who got beat up by Floyd was undefeated. manny’s Hatton took a beating on his way to getting knocked out by Floyd

at least Floyd fought Alvarez and 11-1’d him. manny’s single super welter outing was against the great antogi margarito lmao

Floyd beat Oscar in his natural weight. manny was blessed with a weight drained zombie punching bag

He's also wrong about Hatton not fighting at WW before fighting Floyd.

He fought and beat #4 ranked Luis Collazo at 147 before he fought Floyd.

[IronDanHamza]

LMAO what conspiracy theory? It's a FACT that Marquez started working with a KNOWN steroid distributor during his 3rd fight with Manny & continued into the 4th. The guy he was working with (Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia) "admitted providing Graham's athletes, including Marion Jones, Tim Montgomery and Justin Gatlin, with steroids, EPO and human growth hormone" according to the article below which was written PRIOR to their final fight!

In fact, the article even questioned Marquez's sudden muscular transformation and ability to life huge weights out of nowhere and correctly PREDICTED that a stoppage victory would be highly questionable. See quotes below:-


"Now, Marquez's physique has undergone a transformation every bit as dramatic as the one baseball star Barry Bonds did in the second half of his legendary career. He has big, bulging biceps, thick shoulders and a wide, broad chest. He accomplished this after he turned 38 and only after he hired Angel Guillermo "Memo" Heredia as his strength and conditioning coach."

"If he dominates or knocks out Pacquiao, he likely won't receive the acclaim and the respect he seeks because so many would believe it to be a tainted victory."



Lol and guess what happened? Conspiracy my (_!_)!

As for Manny and catchweights, it's true that he fought Cotto at 145lbs but it was his FIRST fight at Welterweight having previously just stopped Hatton for the Light Welterweight title. As for Margarito, he's a 6ft weight bully so was boiling himself down to beat up smaller guys when he really should've been fighting in a higher weight division himself.

Anyway, NONE of this changes the fact that Mayweather is the king of cherry-picking and catchweights. E.g. forcing Marquez to climb 2 weight divisions (he previously fought at Lightweight) to fight him at a catchweight and then coming in heavier himself and draining Canelo as much as possible to give himself the edge. Let's not forget that he also fought Hatton at Welterweight whereas Pacquiao STOPPED him in his natural weight class. Hatton had never fought at Welterweight prior to facing Floyd.

Working with someone isn't proof of PED use. Manny Pacquaio worked with Alex Ariza who has links to PED's aswell is that proof Pacquaio used PEDs? No.

There is just as much evidence that Pacquaio used PED's than there is Marquez used PED's; Zero. At least demonstrably.

[HisExcellency]

except manny wasn’t the much smaller man in any of the fights when he was knocked out

manny got ko’d by Marquez who was smaller than him

manny’s two other knockout losses were at the hands of midgets

out the window goes your baloney about manny getting ko’d due to size

how could Floyd have beat a Marquez who manny had faced 3 times before when manny only fought him twice prior

Floyd beat Juan easily too and knocked him down with elegance

manny got a boxing lesson from the same guy and then knocked out

Lol Pacquiao first got stopped as a 17yo BOY fighting at Flyweight and then once again aged 20. Therefore, he was clearly DRAINING himself by fighting at such a low weight class which is why he wasn't dropped or stopped thereafter (except for by drugs CHEAT Marquez).

Yeah Floyd schooled Marquez after forcing him to climb 2 weight classes and fight him at a catchweight before coming in heavier himself lmao

[SouthpawRight]

Lol Pacquiao first got stopped as a 17yo BOY fighting at Flyweight and then once again aged 20. Therefore, he was clearly DRAINING himself by fighting at such a low weight class which is why he wasn't dropped or stopped thereafter (except for by drugs CHEAT Marquez).

Yeah Floyd schooled Marquez after forcing him to climb 2 weight classes and fight him at a catchweight before coming in heavier himself lmao

and now you switch it up from manny got knocked out by bigger men

which was false

to manny got knocked out because he was bigger and drained himself to pick on midgets

[IronDanHamza]

As for Mayweather, LMAO if you seriously think that dominating a green, 23yo, WEIGHT-DRAINED Canelo at a catchweight is nearly as impressive as 40yo Pacquiao dropping and giving 30yo prime, undefeated, puncher Thurman a sound beating and taking his WORLD title (becoming the ONLY 4 decade champion in boxing history)!

Floyd took Canelo's WORLD title when he fought him so what's the difference?

Of course beating Canelo is better than beating Thurman, that's not even debatable. Thurman isn't even close to Canelo's league as a fighter let alone that version that Pacquaio fought who hadn't beaten a ranked fighter in years at that point.

If your argument is Canelo was weight drained vs Floyd then I'm assuming you use the same logic with Pacquaio's win over Cotto?

In fact, how many fighter's do you know that reach their peak aged 23yo? Exactly NONE! :rofl

Plenty, actually.

Was Wilfred Benitez in his peak when he fought Sugar Ray Leonard? I think a resounding yes would be the answer to that. How old was he at the time? Not even 23 years old yet.

So that's not a good point you've tried to make there.

Not saying Canelo was at this peak but to say no fighter was at their peak or prime at age 23 is just not true.

[Haka]

Well you're just throwing out some fights that weren't even on the table at any point or even talked about.

GGG? Brook? Williams? When were these fights ever even discussed? Never.

If that's the logic we're using then Pacquaio didn't fight;

Nate Campbell
Joan Guzman
GGG at 160
Canelo
Paul Williams
Joel Casamayor
Zahir Raheem
Kell Brook
Edwin Valero
Mosley in 2009
Andre Berto in 2010

Do you have any proof that any of these fights happened?

It's a dumb argument.

Nate Campbell
Joan Guzman
GGG at 160
Canelo
Paul Williams
Joel Casamayor
Zahir Raheem

--- Pac came in the WW scene after beating Hoya, fought Clottey who got arguably robbed against Cotto, so was a feared fighter and another duck. All those names were irrelevant since Pac fought never ducked anyone in the lower divisions and Paul Williams couldn't make 147 anymore by the time he got there.

Kell Brook

-- This is the only name that I agree with, Brook was a wildcard undefeated and in his prime, better than than Maidana who had losses against Kotelnik Khan.

Edwin Valero

-- Was still at lightweight had no licences to box in the US

Mosley in 2009

-- Pac came into the scene in december 2009 so could only realistically fought again in 2010.

Andre Berto in 2010

-- Berto was protecting himself from threats instead of the other way around, the moment he stepped up to the highest level he had difficulties



BTW replace GGG with Sergio.

Prime Mosley in 1999
Mosley 2006
Tszyu
undefeated Cotto
Margarito
Clottey
Kell Brook
Pwill
Sergio 154
Thurman
Spence
Bradley

[IronDanHamza]

--- Pac came in the WW scene after beating Hoya, fought Clottey who got arguably robbed against Cotto, so was a feared fighter and another duck. All those names were irrelevant since Pac fought never ducked anyone in the lower divisions and Paul Williams couldn't make 147 anymore by the time he got there.



-- This is the only name that I agree with, prime Brook was a wildcard undefeated and in his prime, better than than Maidana who had losses against Kotelnik Khan.

Edwin Valero

-- Was still at lightweight had no licences to box in the US

Mosley in 2009

-- Pac came into the scene in december 2009 so could only realistically fought again in 2010.

Andre Berto in 2010

-- Berto was protecting himself from threats instead of the other way around, the moment he stepped up to the highest level he had difficulties



BTW replace GGG with Sergio.

Prime Mosley in 1999
Mosley 2006
Tszyu
undefeated Cotto
Margarito
Kell Brook
Pwill
Sergio 154
Thurman
Spence
Brook
Bradley

Ok but do you have any proof that any of these fights happened vs Pacquaio?

You understand that it's just the exact same foolish argument that you're trying to make just flipped in reverse?

First things first Pacquaio could have fought Nate Campbell or Guzman but he fought David Diaz instead.

He also could have fought Zahir Raheem but he fought the guy who lost to Raheem instead in Morales.

He could have fought Mosley in 2009, you've just revised history there. Pacquaio fought at WW in 2008. Mosley was #1 at WW in Jan 2009. He offered the fight to Pacquaio and Roach said no because Mosley was "Too good" so let's not revise history.

Valero was linked with Pacquaio plenty of times, didn't happen.

Berto was undefeated and an option for Pacquaio in 2010-2011 and ranked #2 but he decided to fight unranked Margarito and Mosley coming off a loss and a draw instead. So let's not revise history there either.

Could have fought Paul Williams too, nothing was stopping him.

He didn't fight Canelo.

Pacquaio didn't duck a single name mentioned above here, the point is your argument is dumb. And I'm showing you why that is by using your own dumb logic.

[djtmal]

He's also wrong about Hatton not fighting at WW before fighting Floyd.

He fought and beat #4 ranked Luis Collazo at 147 before he fought Floyd.

Keep it a buck he got a gift decision vs Collazo

[djtmal]

You know the reality in all this, only a simpleton cries as long as you have.

... says the dude who can't come to grips with Oscar getting the brakes beat off him by Manny