Sugar Ray Leonard VS Roberto Duran(P4P All Time Great)

[JAB5239]

JAB... you wasting way too much effort on this.

Yeah, you're right. I know better than to feed the troll but I've had a few beers tonight and thought I might have been able to illicit some kind of intelligent response. I was wrong.

[CarlosG815]

Half ass sources like Leonard? Oh thats right it was probably for some financial gain. Still waiting for an explanation on that beauty! You've never been a fighter. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yet you still see fit to refute what an all time great has to say himself...and with NOTHING to back it up. Your credibility is worth about as much as a floating turd in the toilet and I just flushed it again.

LMAO! I wouldn't waste anymore time. He obviously enjoys getting responses because he wants to make witty quips - my guess is because he's a piss on in his own society and that's the only way he can feel good about himself. Stir **** up on a boxing forum where he can get away with it and then argue senselessly back and forth with absolutely nothing to back it up.

I've trained myself and I can tell you if I had to lose 40 - 50 pounds in 3 months there's no chance in hell my training camp would be very effective - the human body doesn't respond well to the diet necessary to lose that kind of weight in a short amount of time, but of course prinze****** wouldn't know that.

Like you said - he's a worthless turd that won't go down - just needs another flush.

[prinzemanspopa]

Half ass sources like Leonard? Oh thats right it was probably for some financial gain. Still waiting for an explanation on that beauty! You've never been a fighter. You have no idea what you're talking about. Yet you still see fit to refute what an all time great has to say himself...and with NOTHING to back it up. Your credibility is worth about as much as a floating turd in the toilet and I just flushed it again.

What's the point in qouting an entire post if you don't have the sack to repond to the response that I gave? You've cried over me not directly answering every single point made in your infamous multi-qoutes,yet you've avoided virtually the entire post that I responded with.


The lie was in reference to your claim that Duran bloated up to 200lbs.It was a lie made by you,which I corrected.Rather than admit your mistake,like a man, you've chosen to ignore it,like an insecure woman.



I already explained to you that the timeline and sources of the day completely contradicts any claim made by leonard.For you to continue pressing this as if it were actually the case shows an insecurity in your own argument.


I already told you that a fight had already been verbally agreed upon three and a half months prior to their rematch.I already explained to you that Duran had a history of bloating up in-between fights,that is wasn't just limited to post-Leonard 1.

I wouldn't waste anymore time....

.....On this forum? Good.This section was a far better place before you polluted it with your ignorant,clueless posts.
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[BennyST]

Duran was at no greater stage in his career than than he was going into the rematch with Leonard.He was regarded by virtually every credible source within the sport as the very best fighter on the planet.He hadn't been defeated in eight years,was coming off a career deining performance over what was then,and arguably still is,the greatest fighter he ever fought.He had shown absolutely no signs of slipping up and despite not scoring as many knockouts as he had in his lightweight days,still retained the type of power that commanded the respect of his opponents.



Duran was in his prime and the same fighter going into New Orleans as he was in Montreal.Rather than look at what Duran couldn't do,why not look at how Leonard adjusted and never even gave Duran a chance.Why not credit Leonard for the brilliant footwork that he showed rather than how slow and sluggish Duran looked(guess who made him look like that?).



There's a reason Duran wasn't capable of pulling off the type of performance that he had given in five months previous,and it wasn't because of an upset tummy.

Although whatever anyone says would make no difference to you, this is one thing in which you are dead set wrong. Many of the days boxing experts considered Duran past it and 'tired' of boxing going into that fight. It was a career defining win, but it was also a major form regain as he had been looking fat, flat, off balance, bad timing etc in fights leading up to that and many, including Duran's trainers were saying he won't fight much longer because he doesn't care anymore and doesn't train. His stamina had been poor, he was getting hit more and his punches weren't as sharp and hard.

He got up to prime/peak form for one last fight, a career defining fight against the bigger, younger star whom he resented, but he hadn't looked that good since De Jesus 3 and his lightweight days, and never did again including the rematch.

Also, on Duran looking slow and sluggish. When Leonard had his boxing rounds in the first fight, why did Duran look nearly as quick as him? Why was he able to slip his jab over and over? Why was his head movement non existent in the second fight? Of course the fight was won by Leonard and who doesn't give him credit for it? He won the damn thing! But, to say it was the same guy is just silly. One look and you can tell straight away it's not. The same speed, passion, anger, ferocity wasn't there at all. He looked softer all over.

[CarlosG815]

.....On this forum? Good.This section was a far better place before you polluted it with your ignorant,clueless posts.
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No, I meant I wouldn't waste the time trying to debate with you because you're too dense.

How could you not get what I meant? You're more dense than I thought.

[JAB5239]

Freakin hysterical!! That is SO Piss******!!

[StarshipTrooper]

No, I meant I wouldn't waste the time trying to debate with you because you're too dense.

How could you not get what I meant? You're more dense than I thought.

Well, you know what they say about guys like Prinzemans: You can take the ****** out of the short-bus but you can't take the short-bus out of the ******

Poet

[JAB5239]

What's the point in qouting an entire post if you don't have the sack to repond to the response that I gave? You've cried over me not directly answering every single point made in your infamous multi-qoutes,yet you've avoided virtually the entire post that I responded with.

Do you like this better? You want me to respond to points that have no merit, I don't do that.

The lie was in reference to your claim that Duran bloated up to 200lbs.It was a lie made by you,which I corrected.Rather than admit your mistake,like a man, you've chosen to ignore it,like an insecure woman.

Once again you're the only one lying. I never said he bloated up to 200lbs, but nearly 200lbs. This is confirmed by Leonard and in the book "Hands of Stone" by Christain Guidace. Get your facts straight and supply some sources before you go calling anybody else a liar.

I already explained to you that the timeline and sources of the day completely contradicts any claim made by leonard.For you to continue pressing this as if it were actually the case shows an insecurity in your own argument.

Both Leonard, Duran and their handlers are the sources of the day. If you have other sources (and they certainly can't be as knowledgeable on the subject) provide some links instead of just running off at the mouth.

I already told you that a fight had already been verbally agreed upon three and a half months prior to their rematch.I already explained to you that Duran had a history of bloating up in-between fights,that is wasn't just limited to post-Leonard 1.

I already told you that you've never fought before so you have no idea what it takes, and what it takes out of you to lose that much weight in such a short period. As a fighter Ray Leonard knew. Of course he had some financial gain by saying this, right? Im just curious, was he setting the stage for the rematch 9 and a half years later?

.....On this forum? Good.This section was a far better place before you polluted it with your ignorant,clueless posts.
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Believe me when I tell you, EVERYBODY is thinking this same exact thing about you. People in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

[prinzemanspopa]

Do you like this better? You want me to respond to points that have no merit, I don't do that.

This is exactly what I'm talking about:

I already told you that a fight had already been verbally agreed upon three and a half months prior to their rematch.I already explained to you that Duran had a history of bloating up in-between fights,that is wasn't just limited to post-Leonard 1.

Your response,which failed to respond directly to what I actually posted:

I already told you that you've never fought before so you have no idea what it takes, and what it takes out of you to lose that much weight in such a short period. As a fighter Ray Leonard knew. Of course he had some financial gain by saying this, right? Im just curious, was he setting the stage for the rematch 9 and a half years later?

Drop the fighters perspective act,gabby,you're begining to make a complete arse out of yourself now.


Duran had a history of gaining weight in-between fights.He had this history of doing this,so why would it all of a sudden cause a decline just months after arguably the best performance of his career? Or are you suggesting that this very first time he ever bloated up in-between a fight?

The financial gain remark was in reference to Leonard's comment in that documentary,nothing do with his third fight with Duran,you plank.

Once again you're the only one lying. I never said he bloated up to 200lbs, but nearly 200lbs. This is confirmed by Leonard and in the book "Hands of Stone" by Christain Guidace. Get your facts straight and supply some sources before you go calling anybody else a liar.

Nearly, as in close to 200,rather than close to 180,which his own manager claimed.


Duran only "allegedly" reached the 200 mark in his mid to late thirties,when he was fairly inactive and competiting at middleweight.

[JAB5239]

This is exactly what I'm talking about:






Your response,which failed to respond directly to what I actually posted:







Drop the fighters perspective act,gabby,you're begining to make a complete arse out of yourself now.


Duran had a history of gaining weight in-between fights.He had this history of doing this,so why would it all of a sudden cause a decline just months after arguably the best performance of his career? Or are you suggesting that this very first time he ever bloated up in-between a fight?

The financial gain remark was in reference to Leonard's comment in that documentary,nothing do with his third fight with Duran,you plank.








Nearly, as in close to 200,rather than close to 180,which his own manager claimed.


Duran only "allegedly" reached the 200 mark in his mid to late thirties,when he was fairly inactive and competiting at middleweight.

"I knew the history of Duran and that's why I asked for the rematch so soon because I knew he was in celebratory mode. I caught him in the middle of that. This all goes back to tactics." -Ray Leonard (page 195 in the book "Hands of Stone".)

Judging by the mass of backslappers and party people surrounding him, Duran had no intention of staying in shape or fighting anytime soon. "I got back to Panama and felt like king of the world," he said. I start drinking and get fat, I am with women up and down. I go to New York and its the same thing there. I get up to two hundred and twenty-five pounds." -Roberto Duran (page 195 in the book "Hands of Stone".)

"Duran started training late and had only about two months to lose what he claimed was seventy-eight pounds, though other reports claim it was closer to 185 pounds rather than 225. Certainly he looked decidedly pudgy when he sat ringside for the pitiful Larry Holmes-Muhammad Ali title fight in Vegas on October 2," (pages 195 and 196 in the book "Hands of Stone")

"Fifteen days before the fight he was twenty pounds over the weight. Arcel told me I had to postpone the fight but when I told my friend the promoter he said it was impossible because he put a lot of money into that fight. -Carlos Eleta (page 196 in the book "Hands of Stone")

Unless you can supply better evidence than this you just got owned big time.