Old School Boxing skills: The lost art of baiting head-movement in depth description

[them_apples]

I should also say: You see it used more offensively in various martial arts, but as I posted Queen B, Especially now a days, you just hardly see it used offensively... I wish I could find some tape to show it because when it comes together it is fantastic lol.

The thing is

its very rare someone ducks a punch instinctively. It looks that way but its rare.

a punch is ducked because the fighter knows its coming before hand and has practiced it in the gym. For example right cross to the body duck out cause the left hook is coming. I suppose that is defensive but more so its a way to make someone miss and land a counter right cross.

I only say this because if someone where to stand still and try and dodge random punches, its extremely hard to anticipate an opponent who is throwing fast punches and feinting constantly. Like you said the only way to safety is to move out of the way or parry them by keeping the hand in front of the face and deflecting them.

reflexively nobody is really dodging punches last minute. Its obviously happened but it’s not something a fighter does on a regular basis.

[them_apples]

I don't want to read a book right now that directs me to another book.

There is no redirect to any books. Its actually all common sense.

if you aren’t actively boxing or have in the past you won’t find it interesting.

[Kid Cauliflower]

There is no redirect to any books. Its actually all common sense.

if you aren�t actively boxing or have in the past you won�t find it interesting.

I am sick of your one-upsmanship. People can have an interest in boxing without your constantly biased drivel. Because you go out and play around in a gym thinking you are something special doesn't impress me or most others. You are like someone with 6 months of guitar lessons now trying to coach and teach others what guitar playing is all about.

Every time you contribute, anyone knows what to expect--more lost arts talk. And of course that is what we are getting here too.

Let's see, old fighters

1 Are plain Tougher
2 Took punches better
3 Ate better
4 Knew scores of lost tricks that only befuddle moderns
5 Had better trainers
6 Had better and more knowledgeable footwork
7 Had superior head movement
8. Had tougher attitudes that weren't soft
9. Were more courageous, evinced by not running as much
10. Knew how to punch with better mechanics

I await your denials, expert born in a pair of boxing gloves.

[QueensburyRules]

- - Maybe apples will be so kind as to post his boxing record so we can see the fruit of his training...

[billeau2]

The thing is

its very rare someone ducks a punch instinctively. It looks that way but its rare.

a punch is ducked because the fighter knows its coming before hand and has practiced it in the gym. For example right cross to the body duck out cause the left hook is coming. I suppose that is defensive but more so its a way to make someone miss and land a counter right cross.

I only say this because if someone where to stand still and try and dodge random punches, its extremely hard to anticipate an opponent who is throwing fast punches and feinting constantly. Like you said the only way to safety is to move out of the way or parry them by keeping the hand in front of the face and deflecting them.

reflexively nobody is really dodging punches last minute. Its obviously happened but it�s not something a fighter does on a regular basis.

Yes it is a learned response is true.

[BKM-]

I am sick of your one-upsmanship. People can have an interest in boxing without your constantly biased drivel. Because you go out and play around in a gym thinking you are something special doesn't impress me or most others. You are like someone with 6 months of guitar lessons now trying to coach and teach others what guitar playing is all about.

Every time you contribute, anyone knows what to expect--more lost arts talk. And of course that is what we are getting here too.

Let's see, old fighters

1 Are plain Tougher
2 Took punches better
3 Ate better
4 Knew scores of lost tricks that only befuddle moderns
5 Had better trainers
6 Had better and more knowledgeable footwork
7 Had superior head movement
8. Had tougher attitudes that weren't soft
9. Were more courageous, evinced by not running as much
10. Knew how to punch with better mechanics

I await your denials, expert born in a pair of boxing gloves.

Careful, you don't want to mess with someone who refers to himself in the third person

[them_apples]

Gonna have some great content for you guys soon. I haven’t been sitting around.

[them_apples]

I am sick of your one-upsmanship. People can have an interest in boxing without your constantly biased drivel. Because you go out and play around in a gym thinking you are something special doesn't impress me or most others. You are like someone with 6 months of guitar lessons now trying to coach and teach others what guitar playing is all about.

Every time you contribute, anyone knows what to expect--more lost arts talk. And of course that is what we are getting here too.

Let's see, old fighters

1 Are plain Tougher
2 Took punches better
3 Ate better
4 Knew scores of lost tricks that only befuddle moderns
5 Had better trainers
6 Had better and more knowledgeable footwork
7 Had superior head movement
8. Had tougher attitudes that weren't soft
9. Were more courageous, evinced by not running as much
10. Knew how to punch with better mechanics

I await your denials, expert born in a pair of boxing gloves.

you are giving BKM a boner relax man.

I am gonna head to the gym again soon and prove what I am saying. Obviously talking about it means nothing and I understand that. I've been hard at work to prove my point however.

I think you take me the wrong way, if you were me you would be equally excited.

when I first got back in the gym I was out of shape, not fit at all. Still had great success in the gym sparring some top level guys and using some things I learned from old fighters.

this time around I am actually very fit though. We will see how it goes.

I am not someone to talk out of my ass, I understand if I catch a beating doing what I am doing I will be the first one to admit it - even on this forum.

I sincerely believe this time around I will make my point clear however. I feel in great shape.

like I said though time will tell.

obviously Ive been sparring for about 20 years now. I am lucky to have a close friend who was a pro with 30 fights (boxing and thai) to spar with for years and work on things.

I started back at it over a year ago and got in with a few too guys:

so syd vanderpool set me up to get hurt (the guy who fought hopkins) and my very first day put me in with a light heavyweight who had a record of 30-2. He pretended it was like old times and said he had lots of guys in my weight class to come spar with. I am lucky with that one, I took some good hits but still held my own. I hurt my right hand in his head trying to fight back so furiously. I was not in shape for this and actually had a big bruise on my forehead afterwards. The real issue was I was gassed out. My arrogance didn't take into account conditioning. The rest of the boxing community heard about this though and sort of shunned the man because what he did was not very safe.

then I went back to the drawing board and started working myself into shape as hard as I could. I sparred about 100 rounds and was working hard in other ways to develop my conditioning.

then another big coach invited me to spar (hes got a huge social account, wont drop any names). I went to that gym. He was good to me and put me in with the national champ within my weight class. This was a wash, I beat him up easy and he could do nothing to me. And now we are friends

a month later I hit a gym in another city that had the national champ at jr middle and a prospect who was 5-0.

the nationals was a south paw and landed a good left on me, then I shook off my nerves and proceeded to beat his ass, quite badly they took me out and I thought that was it. Then at the end I got to spar this ****y prospect, I beat him so bad I felt his legs sag and my own empathy stopped me from hurting him. After that the coach started calling me johnny which usually only friends call me that so I think he didnt expect the firepower I brought and was very impressed.

Another night, after working all day I dropped into this mexican gym in the evening. I had contacted him on Ig to get some rounds in. He had about 40 lbs on me. He came at me like a bull with all his student watching and tried to rip my head off. (He probably thought I was calling him out). The ring was very small and he did get me with a few good ones. I cleared my head though and was slipping well and making him miss. Then when he let his guard down I suckered him in and planted 2 right on his chin full power and jello legged him in front of his students. I not gonna lie I don't like the guy and saved my energy for later to get back at him for trying to rip my head off. He tried to fight back but I could tell he was wobbly and tired for the remainder of the round. That was the only time I actually got mad in the ring. I plan on getting in with him again though and really solving the puzzle once and for all.

Whats actually funny is sure, I may not be a real boxer. But they posted a photo on IG one day and all of them were holding up medals. 90% of them I had schooled at some point or another. And by schooled I mean they couldn't do anything with my style.

thats all I have so far. You should at least give me a bit of credit for trying to at least prove my point. Getting hit by light heavyweights while having no gas is not fun. As BKM states in every single post - I am not a large man. I stand 5 ft 7 and walk around at 135 (I have very low body fat though ) oh ya I forgot to mention syd also said 4 minute rounds. He really wanted to get me hurt it seems. I am fine though.

[Bundana]

you are giving BKM a boner relax man.

I am gonna head to the gym again soon and prove what I am saying. Obviously talking about it means nothing and I understand that. I�ve been hard at work to prove my point however.

I think you take me the wrong way, if you were me you would be equally excited.

when I first got back in the gym I was out of shape, not fit at all. Still had great success in the gym sparring some top level guys and using some things I learned from old fighters.

this time around I am actually very fit though. We will see how it goes.

I am not someone to talk out of my ass, I understand if I catch a beating doing what I am doing I will be the first one to admit it - even on this forum.

I sincerely believe this time around I will make my point clear however. I feel in great shape.

like I said though time will tell.

No one cares about your gym exploits... we would much rather see you address Cauliflower's 10 points!

[them_apples]

No one cares about your gym exploits... we would much rather see you address Cauliflower's 10 points!

thanks for editing out all those artifacts at least!