Otabek Kholmatov vs Raymond Ford - ESPN+ - Fight By Fight Thread

[Sid-Knee]

You saw the fight, you can watch it again in slow motion, highlights, from end to beginning or viceversa, and still you won't believe your eyes. You seeing what you're seeing, it is real to you so I know you are set on that matter. I just ask you to find an expert, one expert that have you same opinion. Nothing. If you think is a robbery and you can't find an expert agreeing with you, is it going to make a difference in how your view the fight? Of course not. I foresee a lot of problems if in real life, your job and personal life, you keep judging things the way you have done with this fight. You shouldn’t mold reality to your way of thinking. Be safe and please move on.

If it was my way of thinking here, you would have pointed out where Ramirez landed more punches. But guess what, you haven't. Why? Because you can't. Facts will get in the way of your delusional fantasy world. If you tried to claim a punch, i'd be able to point out that it didn't land clean or in fact hit the arm. They are not scoring punches so neither get rewarded for it.

People have need and want for people like me. That's why success always comes. For people like you though, they're considered the village idiot for a reason. So thanks for the projection. I appreciate irony too. Even if it is the seriously strong type in which you're delivering.

You may continue being a hypocrite and deflecting for your life.

[garfios]

If it was my way of thinking here, you would have pointed out where Ramirez landed more punches. But guess what, you haven't. Why? Because you can't. Facts will get in the way of your delusional fantasy world. If you tried to claim a punch, i'd be able to point out that it didn't land clean or in fact hit the arm. They are not scoring punches so neither get rewarded for it.

People have need and want for people like me. That's why success always comes. For people like you though, they're considered the village idiot for a reason. So thanks for the projection. I appreciate irony too. Even if it is the seriously strong type in which you're delivering.

You may continue being a hypocrite and deflecting for your life.

You're a very sick person, only in one round did dogboe land more than Ramirez. I can not help you with you delusional beliefs. Move on for your own sake. People are laughing at you, they think you're an idiot, I know you just a sick child. So you know I don't read what your post, but I know your suffering and what you would write. Be safe

[Sid-Knee]

You're a very sick person, only in one round did dogboe land more than Ramirez. I can not help you with you delusional beliefs. Move on for your own sake. People are laughing at you, they think you're an idiot, I know you just a sick child. So you know I don't read what your post, but I know your suffering and what you would write. Be safe

I gave you the first 6 rounds that had Dogboe clearly out-landing Ramirez in all of those rounds. We didn't even get to the other 6. Hell, we didn't even get to the 1st round as you did nothing but shut it down as you clearly don't care for the facts. It doesn't benefit you. You're happy in your lies and delusion that Ramirez beat Dogboe. Anything that threatens what benefits you, well. I've seen what you do.

You may now go away. I wanted to stay on you to see how extreme you'd go. You went all the way. Either you were this way before you got to the US, or you've been zombified over time to be just like them. It doesn't matter which of those options it is. The only thing that matters is you're a delusional zombie as of right now.

But enjoy your delusions. Bye.

[edpboxing]

Can I mute my own thread?? Ooba3211

[garfios]

I gave you the first 6 rounds that had Dogboe clearly out-landing Ramirez in all of those rounds. We didn't even get to the other 6. Hell, we didn't even get to the 1st round as you did nothing but shut it down as you clearly don't care for the facts. It doesn't benefit you. You're happy in your lies and delusion that Ramirez beat Dogboe. Anything that threatens what benefits you, well. I've seen what you do.

You may now go away. I wanted to stay on you to see how extreme you'd go. You went all the way. Either you were this way before you got to the US, or you've been zombified over time to be just like them. It doesn't matter which of those options it is. The only thing that matters is you're a delusional zombie as of right now.

But enjoy your delusions. Bye.

You're describing yourself so well that the only thing you need to do is start taking your meds again, and snap out of it!

do you know I just find out you're the only one thinking it was a robbery, in the whole fvkin world. You mosy be a torn on your fathers side.

[RJJ-94-02=GOAT]

Can I mute my own thread?? Ooba3211

I was wondering why this thread popped back up.

You might be able to close it as the OP. Not sure how though tbh.

[messi807]

Here's a little something called reality where your absolute delusion is at play.

Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Jack "Kid" Berg
Freddie Welsh
Charley White
Owen Moran
Joe Burman
Matt Wells
Jimmy McLarnin
Jimmy Wilde

Look at the win/loss record with these names on Boxrec. We win the vast majority of the time against Americans and Mexicans. Facts show anyone who knows their boxing that. The amount of times we've beaten your greats is eyewatering. Even Turpin beat your greatest in "Sugar" Ray Robinson. This has been going on for well over a century. It won't stop no matter what. You've proven never to be good enough in all this time.

These are a handful of more recent times. There's loads more, but you won't come close to matching this list.

Fury vs Wilder x3.
AJ vs Franklin and Brezeale.
Brook vs Porter.
Taylor vs Prograis and Martin.
Froch vs Taylor and Dirrell.
Hatton vs Malignaggi, Collazo and Phillips.
Lewis vs Holyfield x2, Briggs, Grant, Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, Tyson, Rahman and McCall.
Calzaghe vs Lacy, Hopkins, Jones, Mitchell, Brewer and Sheika.
Khan vs Malignaggi, Collazo, Alexander, Algiera, Peterson (It was a robbery) and Judah.
Hamed vs Johnson and Kelley
Nigel Benn vs Dewitt, Barkley, Williams, McClellan and Sims.

Mexicans...

Taylor vs Ramirez and Vazquez.
Ball vs Vargas.
Hatton vs Castillo and Lazcano.
Wood vs Lara.
AJ vs Ruiz.
Frampton vs Santa Cruz, Garcia, Gonzalez, Avalos, Hirales and Cazarez.
Khan vs Diaz and Molina.
Khal Yafai vs Gonzalez and Carmona.
Gal Yafai vs Calleros and Santomauro.
Hamed vs Medina and Soto.
Ingle vs Medina.
McDonnell vs Ceja
Woods vs Gonzales x2 and Rivera.
Groves vs Sierra.
Degale vs Medina and Periban.
Duke McKenzie vs Herrera, Soto, Gallegos, Ruiz, Flores, Blanco, Canizales, Benavides and Rodriguez.
Sunny Edwards vs Granados, Gallardo and Guarneros.
Monroe vs Terrazas.
Lee Selby vs Montiel and Ramirez.
Liam Smith vs Lozano and Garcia.
Maxi Hughes vs Straffon.
Martin J Ward vs Amparan.
Magri vs Gonzalez, Pacheco, Iglesias, Herrera, Arreola and Torres.
McCullough vs A Zamora, S Ramirez, M Ramirez, O Zamora, Rabanales, Cazares, Cardoz, Bueno, Cardona, Salas,
Winstone vs Guerrero.
Conteh vs Lopez.
Butler vs Montoya Ramirez, Garnica, Molina, Sanchez, Soto, Casares and Garcia Perez.
Mitchell vs Estrada and Lopez.

Understand why i'm laughing now? The only trash fighters are Americans and Mexicans. It's why they're running away from everyone and making sure to get fights when they're horribly inactive because the opponent takes on a shot form. On a level playing field, all you both do is lose. Why else do you think you lose nearly all those fights? The only other option is the corrupt robbery which you both have a mass of. Both of you alone have more than the rest of the world combined if you deduct the other country. Now that's trash. You have only a small handful of legit victories. Most of the world titles you both have are stolen too. Your fighters degrade themselves the same way you do on here. No wonder you keep on producing cowards and frauds. They're a product of their environment.

As for Argentina??? How many wins over us do Argentina have? We win nearly every time out against them. You're living in fantasy land. You can't read and you're getting clowned with facts. You're our b1tch, don't ever forget that.

Pahahahaha. This is pure comedy. Most of the ‘quality wins’ within the last decade were controversial decisions or against mass underdogs or older fighters. Put it this way, you’ve been embarrassed more times than you’ve won.

Ruiz KO’ing AJ. Josh Warrington being TKO’d by Mauricio Lara. - find me some fights where brits have beaten Americans/Mexicans with equivalent underdog odds? LOL Franklin - AJ? Pahahaha. I’m sure people will remember that!

You guys suck. I’m not sure UK has even had a P4P #1 the past 40 years. Meanwhile U.S & Mexiço have had endless amounts.

[Sid-Knee]

Pahahahaha. This is pure comedy. Most of the ‘quality wins’ within the last decade were controversial decisions or against mass underdogs or older fighters. Put it this way, you’ve been embarrassed more times than you’ve won.

Ruiz KO’ing AJ. Josh Warrington being TKO’d by Mauricio Lara. - find me some fights where brits have beaten Americans/Mexicans with equivalent underdog odds? LOL Franklin - AJ? Pahahaha. I’m sure people will remember that!

You guys suck. I’m not sure UK has even had a P4P #1 the past 40 years. Meanwhile U.S & Mexiço have had endless amounts.

Look at you changing it now i've proven you wrong on a massive scale. You came back with nothing. They have to be underdogs now? Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laughs you goof. But try and list as many wins as you can against us and watch me add another huge list with the vast majority to come. You're food to us. The only way you can win is through corruption or getting the opponent at their weakest through whichever means you can. Inactive, drained by contract, shot, coming off a loss...

AJ had something wrong with him in the build up and looked to end it as fast as possible when he dropped Ruiz. He started swinging square on with a guy shorter and with faster hands. You don't do that when you're AJ's size and with his reach. When he got it together for the rematch, he dominated.

Warrington was out of the ring for 17 months in a lockdown so didn't even have a proper camp. Lara had fought 5 times in all that time. He looked shot. Being out for that long against an active opponent will do that for you. That's why Mikey, Hurd, Charlo, Russell etc etc lost. ******.

You've got Brits mixed up with you North Americans. You're the ones with all the controversial decisions. List as many as you can for us, then watch me give you a massive list again and putting you straight back in your place. You're not even good enough to suck. That's how bad you are. You're all cheats and hype-jobs. Why else do you think you have a mass of robberies and loses all the time.

Thanks for coming back nearly 2 weeks after i posted this with absolutely nothing to offer. No wins. No nothing. A bit like Mexicans and Americans. All fur coat and no knickers. Now get back on your leash were you belong and have been for over a century. You go for walkies when we say you do.

[messi807]

Look at you changing it now i've proven you wrong on a massive scale. You came back with nothing. They have to be underdogs now? Hahahahaha. Thanks for the laughs you goof. But try and list as many wins as you can against us and watch me add another huge list with the vast majority to come. You're food to us. The only way you can win is through corruption or getting the opponent at their weakest through whichever means you can. Inactive, drained by contract, shot, coming off a loss...

AJ had something wrong with him in the build up and looked to end it as fast as possible when he dropped Ruiz. He started swinging square on with a guy shorter and with faster hands. You don't do that when you're AJ's size and with his reach. When he got it together for the rematch, he dominated.

Warrington was out of the ring for 17 months in a lockdown so didn't even have a proper camp. Lara had fought 5 times in all that time. He looked shot. Being out for that long against an active opponent will do that for you. That's why Mikey, Hurd, Charlo, Russell etc etc lost. ******.

You've got Brits mixed up with you North Americans. You're the ones with all the controversial decisions. List as many as you can for us, then watch me give you a massive list again and putting you straight back in your place. You're not even good enough to suck. That's how bad you are. You're all cheats and hype-jobs. Why else do you think you have a mass of robberies and loses all the time.

Thanks for coming back nearly 2 weeks after i posted this with absolutely nothing to offer. No wins. No nothing. A bit like Mexicans and Americans. All fur coat and no knickers. Now get back on your leash were you belong and have been for over a century. You go for walkies when we say you do.

Sorry man, I have a real life.

"Now get back on your leash were you belong and have been for over a century. You go for walkies when we say you do."

Sorry man, last time you had any legit guy's on the P4P list they got the snot beaten out of them by Errol Spence & Teofimo Lopez.. You're allowed to give yourself a pat on the back when you have more than 2 WORLD CHAMPIONS. Quite embarrassing, but even the little 'teams' deserve to celebrate LOL. Enjoy those domestic European level fights & of course always getting washed at world level.

Americans have the most World Champions in the sport (13 approx), the most Pound For Pounders on the current list at the moment (4) and with the amount of crazy prospects, it's about to increase more and more. Mexicans have 2 on the P4P and around 9/10 world champions. Still waiting to see what the UK has .

Gotta get that jealousy out of your heart sweetness.

[messi807]

Here's a little something called reality where your absolute delusion is at play.

Bob Fitzsimmons
Ted "Kid" Lewis
Jack "Kid" Berg
Freddie Welsh
Charley White
Owen Moran
Joe Burman
Matt Wells
Jimmy McLarnin
Jimmy Wilde

Look at the win/loss record with these names on Boxrec. We win the vast majority of the time against Americans and Mexicans. Facts show anyone who knows their boxing that. The amount of times we've beaten your greats is eyewatering. Even Turpin beat your greatest in "Sugar" Ray Robinson. This has been going on for well over a century. It won't stop no matter what. You've proven never to be good enough in all this time.

These are a handful of more recent times. There's loads more, but you won't come close to matching this list.

Fury vs Wilder x3.
AJ vs Franklin and Brezeale.
Brook vs Porter.
Taylor vs Prograis and Martin.
Froch vs Taylor and Dirrell.
Hatton vs Malignaggi, Collazo and Phillips.
Lewis vs Holyfield x2, Briggs, Grant, Morrison, Mercer, Tucker, Tyson, Rahman and McCall.
Calzaghe vs Lacy, Hopkins, Jones, Mitchell, Brewer and Sheika.
Khan vs Malignaggi, Collazo, Alexander, Algiera, Peterson (It was a robbery) and Judah.
Hamed vs Johnson and Kelley
Nigel Benn vs Dewitt, Barkley, Williams, McClellan and Sims.

Mexicans...

Taylor vs Ramirez and Vazquez.
Ball vs Vargas.
Hatton vs Castillo and Lazcano.
Wood vs Lara.
AJ vs Ruiz.
Frampton vs Santa Cruz, Garcia, Gonzalez, Avalos, Hirales and Cazarez.
Khan vs Diaz and Molina.
Khal Yafai vs Gonzalez and Carmona.
Gal Yafai vs Calleros and Santomauro.
Hamed vs Medina and Soto.
Ingle vs Medina.
McDonnell vs Ceja
Woods vs Gonzales x2 and Rivera.
Groves vs Sierra.
Degale vs Medina and Periban.
Duke McKenzie vs Herrera, Soto, Gallegos, Ruiz, Flores, Blanco, Canizales, Benavides and Rodriguez.
Sunny Edwards vs Granados, Gallardo and Guarneros.
Monroe vs Terrazas.
Lee Selby vs Montiel and Ramirez.
Liam Smith vs Lozano and Garcia.
Maxi Hughes vs Straffon.
Martin J Ward vs Amparan.
Magri vs Gonzalez, Pacheco, Iglesias, Herrera, Arreola and Torres.
McCullough vs A Zamora, S Ramirez, M Ramirez, O Zamora, Rabanales, Cazares, Cardoz, Bueno, Cardona, Salas,
Winstone vs Guerrero.
Conteh vs Lopez.
Butler vs Montoya Ramirez, Garnica, Molina, Sanchez, Soto, Casares and Garcia Perez.
Mitchell vs Estrada and Lopez.

Understand why i'm laughing now? The only trash fighters are Americans and Mexicans. It's why they're running away from everyone and making sure to get fights when they're horribly inactive because the opponent takes on a shot form. On a level playing field, all you both do is lose. Why else do you think you lose nearly all those fights? The only other option is the corrupt robbery which you both have a mass of. Both of you alone have more than the rest of the world combined if you deduct the other country. Now that's trash. You have only a small handful of legit victories. Most of the world titles you both have are stolen too. Your fighters degrade themselves the same way you do on here. No wonder you keep on producing cowards and frauds. They're a product of their environment.

As for Argentina??? How many wins over us do Argentina have? We win nearly every time out against them. You're living in fantasy land. You can't read and you're getting clowned with facts. You're our b1tch, don't ever forget that.

(Taylor vs Ramirez and Vazquez.
Ball vs Vargas.
Hatton vs Castillo and Lazcano.
Wood vs Lara.
AJ vs Ruiz.
Frampton vs Santa Cruz, Garcia, Gonzalez, Avalos, Hirales and Cazarez.
Khan vs Diaz and Molina.
Khal Yafai vs Gonzalez and Carmona.
Gal Yafai vs Calleros and Santomauro.
Hamed vs Medina and Soto.
Ingle vs Medina.
McDonnell vs Ceja
Woods vs Gonzales x2 and Rivera.
Groves vs Sierra.
Degale vs Medina and Periban.
Duke McKenzie vs Herrera, Soto, Gallegos, Ruiz, Flores, Blanco, Canizales, Benavides and Rodriguez.
Sunny Edwards vs Granados, Gallardo and Guarneros.
Monroe vs Terrazas.
Lee Selby vs Montiel and Ramirez.
Liam Smith vs Lozano and Garcia.
Maxi Hughes vs Straffon.
Martin J Ward vs Amparan.
Magri vs Gonzalez, Pacheco, Iglesias, Herrera, Arreola and Torres.
McCullough vs A Zamora, S Ramirez, M Ramirez, O Zamora, Rabanales, Cazares, Cardoz, Bueno, Cardona, Salas,
Winstone vs Guerrero.
Conteh vs Lopez.
Butler vs Montoya Ramirez, Garnica, Molina, Sanchez, Soto, Casares and Garcia Perez.
Mitchell vs Estrada and Lopez.)


Majority of those fighters were all bum's LOL. Kinda feel sorry for you, quite embarassing you had to note down mismatches & mass-underdog fights - this mentality is why brits fail to make it at world level & if they do, they can never sustain like Americans.

Naseem arguably the best fighter on your list got ruined by Barrera. (Insert Excuses) no shame as he has a better legacy than every fighter you just mentioned.
Amir Khan stopped by Danny Garcia.
Hatton got stopped by Floyd. - All your hype jobs or 'future greats' get halted, happens everytime unfortunately.



BUT let's fast forward to the past 4-5 years.


Sunny Edwards got stopped by Jesse Rodriguez.

Lee Selby got stopped and retired by Lemos. (who Hitchins is about to make easy work of).

Maxi Hughes stopped by Zepeda. (only because you mentioned maxi)

Carl Frampton stopped & retired by Jamal Herring.

Khal Yafai got ruined by a shop-worn old Roman Gonzalez.

Gal Yafai just got dropped 3 times and dominated by Diego Alberto Luiz a 10/1 underdog.

Liam Smith got ruined by a 20 year old Jamie Munguia.

Paul Butler got ruined by Emmanuel Rodriguez and lost every round.

AJ got KO'd by Ruiz a 10/1 underdog.

James Degale lost a 16/1 underdog against Caleb Truax LOL.

Jordan Gill KO'D by Kiko Martinez a 7/1 underdog.

AND KO'D again by a 7/1 underdog Mario Enrique Tinoco.

Michael Conlan KO'D by Luis Alberto Lopez.

Tyson Fury (GIFT) against a 7/1 Boxing Debutant Francis Ngannou

Josh Kelly (GIFT draw) against Ray Robinson 5/1

Josh Warrington beaten and upset by a 6/1 underdog against Luis Alberto Lopez, whilst fighting extremely dirty.

Josh Warrington KO'd by a 8/1 underdog against Mauricio Lara, quite frankly embarrassing.

Kid Galahad KO'D by a 8/1 underdog against Kiko Martinez.

Leigh Wood KO'D by Mauricio Lara.

This is just ridicolous in a 5 year span, how do you get upset so much? unbelievable

Now I understand why they keep Connor Benn away from the likes of Boots + Vergil Ortiz.

Credit to Dalton Smith who just got past Jose Zepeda, I thought he'd suffer the same fate as the other big British favourites - tough now, he has to lose to the Haney's, Teo's, Matias's and Hitchins of the world. Wouldn't be surprised if he lost to Prograis, Antuanne Russel, Ortiz, Barboza Jr, Sims or Mercado though. Hopefully they don't hype him too much, wouldn't want him to end up like Josh Kelly or Sunny Edwards!