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    Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post

    It is difficult to imagine Fury piling up enough punches on Wlad to stop him via accumulation, considering it has never ever been done before.
    Obviously doesn't mean it can't happen

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      Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
      Chisora was higher ranked than Price and was simply also a better fighter.

      TT as I said, is a good journyman level fighter. Nothing more, nothing less. Other than Price, he has approximately zero impressive wins.

      He is not better than Fury in any way shape or form.
      LOL

      Multiple time HW title challenger and veteran HW with a great record and only narrowly being defeated by upper-eschelon fighters qualifies as nothing more than a "journeyman" in your eyes does it?



      WOW.

      It takes a lot to impress you doesn't it!

      So basically what your saying here is that apart from Wlad and now Fury, everybody else is a mere journeyman? GTFOOH!

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        Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
        Obviously doesn't mean it can't happen
        Yes, yes alright, "theoretically" Fury can do this and that and "theoretically" Fury could be one of Wladimir's best opponents and all that too.

        But I think it's a bit brazen to make claims that Fury is this already based on him really doing squat!

        Imo, and the opinion of a lot of other people, both old time nutbags AND realists alike... Fury would have already been decisively wasted by David Haye were he not wiped out by injuries from relevance.

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          Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
          LOL

          Multiple time HW title challenger and veteran HW with a great record and only narrowly being defeated by upper-eschelon fighters qualifies as nothing more than a "journeyman" in your eyes does it?



          WOW.

          It takes a lot to impress you doesn't it!

          So basically what your saying here is that apart from Wlad and now Fury, everybody else is a mere journeyman? GTFOOH!
          He's challenged twice because of gifts from the bs IBF system. He was given a mandatory spot undeservedly because of a pullout in 2008 and in 2012 he fought a journeyman for another shot at Klitschko.

          Don't get me wrong, he's done well for someone who started boxing at almost 30 years old, but he's most certainly not very good. up until the 2nd Klitschko fight he didn't have a single eye-catching win.

          It's not very hard to muster a good record when all you fight is journeymen or fringe guys.

          That's not what I'm saying. But if you can't look at TT and see he's extremely ordinary, then there's nothing I can do.

          Originally posted by Elroy1 View Post
          Yes, yes alright, "theoretically" Fury can do this and that and "theoretically" Fury could be one of Wladimir's best opponents and all that too.

          But I think it's a bit brazen to make claims that Fury is this already based on him really doing squat!

          Imo, and the opinion of a lot of other people, both old time nutbags AND realists alike... Fury would have already been decisively wasted by David Haye were he not wiped out by injuries from relevance.
          Realistically Fury is one of Wlad's best opponents to date. This is on paper. You never know what's going to happen when they get in the ring - It could be easy, it could be hard - doesn't mean it's not an equally good win. Intangibles factor in all the time.

          Squat? How's it squat? He's done more than most Klitschko opponents already and is clearly better than the likes of Pulev and Jennings. It doesn't take more than two eyes to realize that.

          He might have lost against Haye in 2013. That doesn't mean he'll lose against Klitschko now.

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            Originally posted by LacedUp View Post
            I said he doesn't take hard voluntaries. A unification fight IS NOT a voluntary. I don't feel like discussing that on idiot level, so let's stop that. A voluntary defense IS NOT AND NEVER WAS a unification fight. You're calling me halfwit in the same sentence as saying "Wlad voluntarily fought a unification fight" The irony is staggering.

            I never claimed Fury had ATG potential. He doesn't need it to beat Wlad.

            Banks beat Mitchell and pretty quickly set up the rematch, when Fury was offered a IBF eliminator with Steve Cunningham. Fury vs Cunningham was fought before Banks vs Mitchell II and Arreola vs Mitchell.

            Arreola had just lost an eliminator with Stiverne and then immediately fought another eliminator. Of course he was pushed. Fury had signed to fight Haye twice by the time the vacant belt was up for grabs. It has nothing to do with faith in Fury. As I said, you just don't know what you're talking about at all.

            And? Fury was 23 years old and took a major turn in his career in 2012. he's in a much better position now.
            Fury vs Cunningham was dubbed a title eliminator after it was signed, Fury shat himself knowing he'd have to face Pulev upon defeating USS, likely the reason his performance was so abject that night, relying on an illegal forearm to stop the 200lb behemoth of an opponent !

            You say Klitschko don't take tough voluntaries yet faced Chagaev shortly after he soundly and more convincingly defeated Valuev than Haye did. Then Wlad elected to face an 'optional' unification, how is that for you ? He voluntarily elected to face an opponent he was not mandated too, last I checked a voluntary defence is usually considered less a threat to your domination than a unification, yet you take issue with this as I am embarrassing you again.

            And to finish this off the same guy you now claim has a very real chance of defeating Klitschko was in fact offered the fight in 2012, yes you guessed it, as a 'voluntary' defence. Lmao, quit whilst you are aren't even further behind dummy.

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              Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
              Actually I would agree with you that Vlad showing a bit of cheek dealing with Fury is not arrogant...he was amusing imo and handled it as he should have.

              Fury is selling a fight. Ill never understand why young fighters particularly put the weight of atlas on their shoulders, as if Fury does not have enough on his plate...but I can also cotton to the idea that to put food on the table there has to be interest in this fight, and Fury's behavoir does generate interest.

              But Vlad also has every right to be amused by Fury's bs.
              Yea, I have no problem with Fury acting the fool. It's part of why I like him. For someone to say Wlad is arrogant and excuse Fury is baffling. But, I have no problem withTyson doing what he does. Bless him for helping keep boxing alive in the UK. People eat that up. The fact that Donald Trump is polling in the states is a testament to people loving the brash egotist.

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                Originally posted by Scott-Weiland View Post
                Fury vs Cunningham was dubbed a title eliminator after it was signed, Fury shat himself knowing he'd have to face Pulev upon defeating USS, likely the reason his performance was so abject that night, relying on an illegal forearm to stop the 200lb behemoth of an opponent !

                You say Klitschko don't take tough voluntaries yet faced Chagaev shortly after he soundly and more convincingly defeated Valuev than Haye did. Then Wlad elected to face an 'optional' unification, how is that for you ? He voluntarily elected to face an opponent he was not mandated too, last I checked a voluntary defence is usually considered less a threat to your domination than a unification, yet you take issue with this as I am embarrassing you again.

                And to finish this off the same guy you now claim has a very real chance of defeating Klitschko was in fact offered the fight in 2012, yes you guessed it, as a 'voluntary' defence. Lmao, quit whilst you are aren't even further behind dummy.
                I'm sure he shat himself so much.

                I said Klitschko doesn't take hard voluntaries and hasn't done it since Chagaev. Maybe read my post next time kiddo?

                Let me clear this up for you, a unification fight CAN NEVER be classified as a voluntary. What is it you don't get? Are you thick? A voluntary can never be a unification fight. There's no "forced" unification fights Seriously, do you not know anything about boxing?

                You claim I'm a halfwit, but just totally expose your lack of boxing knowledge in these discussions. It's almost sad. Dear boy, you don't even know what a voluntary defense is.

                Obviously Fury was not the same threat in 2012 as he is in 2015. Even with your brain, I'm sure you can comprehend that.

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                  Originally posted by Dr.Eisenfaust View Post
                  As a former huge Vitali supporter, I am actually thinking of rooting for Tyson Fury eventhough I still think Klitschko is the slight favourite.

                  I am starting to get really disappointed by what Wladimir Klitschko is starting to become as a human being.

                  I would still respect him if he wins. Fury can very well be his toughest fight ever I believe.
                  Fury will force Wlad to the ropes and maul him. Not sure who is overlooking Fury more, Wlad himself, or scott-weiland.

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                    Originally posted by billeau2 View Post
                    The game operates like that to a degree... If we created a scale some guys would fall squarely on self interest all the way down to guys who take on all commers, guys like Gatti was for example.

                    Vlad does not take on all commers. he sets up contracts that are beneficial to him and make it realistically impossible at times for the opposition. I don't want to go through their records again...I have posted this before, but if one looks at who Lewis fought and who Vlad fought there is a big difference... Briggs, Tua, Golatta, Holyfield, morrison, Ruddock, Tyson, Grant, etc...who has Vad fought on that level? Chambers? lol

                    Fury is a risky fight, Wilder would be like when Lewis fought Grant...it seems risly but it is not.
                    Vlad certainly never ducked anybody, weak opposition or not. The weak opposition theory is mythical, anyway. Lewis' resume isn't as impressive as you think it is when you scrutinize it in detail, and he is far from the dominance Vlad has demonstrated and still ongoing. Lewis retired comfortably at just the right timing, Vlad didn't, he is facing dangerous foes when pushing 40 and shows little signs of slowing down.

                    And again, Vlad is not to blame for the era he fights in. There is no Mike Tyson, Lennox, Foreman, Holmes for him to fight. Instead, he DOMINATES as a real champion does, and delivers KO's. You can't ask for more.
                    Last edited by Weltschmerz; 09-13-2015, 12:45 AM.

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                      Originally posted by Redd Foxx View Post
                      Agreed. Absolutely bizarre that someone would call Wlad "arrogant" while defending Tyson Fury. Tyson, the guy who talks endless, mad shyt, compared to the man who is the epitome of "speak softly and carry a big stick". This thread has opened a portal into some bizaro dimension where everything is flipped on it's head.
                      I'll put it like that :

                      - I miss the old Wladimir Klitschko from 2010-2011-2012... the gentlemen, the great sportsman. Not the current one who says he's "the baddest man on the planet" and plays piano songs before a fight he won through blood sweat and tears against a guy who started boxing 6 years ago.

                      - I don't wanna discuss politics here on this forum and I am not accusing any belligerent of the conflict here : instead of financing the ukrainian armed forces, it would have been a lot wiser to just call for peace in this country. It's really sad to see brothers shedding rivers of blood just for purely ideological reasons etc.. I do respect every people's choice. I am not Ukrainian, nor am I Russian. I am totally fine with Ukraine joining the EU, as long as they respect the choice of their brothers from the East that have a different point of view( Wouldn't it be a lot wiser to split those regions from Ukraine ?)

                      - Last but not least, I got a genuine feeling that Wladimir Klitschko is a little bit fake. That he is playing a persona, " the tough, handsome boxer that can be quite intriguing at times". I don't know if Hayden Panettiere is dominating him but that's none of my business.

                      When it comes to Fury :

                      - Yes he clearly can be a total idiot at times but at least he is GENUINE. I really have a feeling that he 's enjoying playing that role but deep down , I got the feeling that he is a down to earth guy.

                      That being said, I really wish the best of luck for both fighters and may the best man win !

                      I miss the old Wladimir though, but Vitali has always been my favourite...in the ring.

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