Comments Thread For: Christian Mbilli-Diego Pacheco: WBC orders purse bid for interim title fight

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

No, this is a misunderstanding of how the mandatory process works in boxing

Winning an Interim Title or Regular Title does not automatically make you the mandatory challenger. The sanctioning bodies have a process to ratify and and invoke mandatory challengers. Often the Interim title holder will be ratified as the mandatory but its not always the case and it's not necessarily straight away. Holding an interim belt does not mean you are the mandatory challenger.

So even though Benavidez won his interim belt in 2022, he wasn't ratified as the mandatory until March 2024 (), The ratification simply cemented his place as the next WBC mandatory. It's basically the WBC announcing "When we decide to invoke/enforce the next Mandatory challenger for Canelo to face, the opponent will be David Benavidez". This is not the same as the mandatory being called or enforced. It's simply an announcement of who the next challenger will be. However once a mandatory challenger has been ratified, even if the mandatory hasn't been called/enforced, the champion can voluntarily decide to try and make a deal to fight that mandatory challenger and it would count as fulfilling the mandatory obligation. On the flip side, had Canelo fought Benavidez before March 2024, because Benavidez wasn't a ratified mandatory challenger, it would have just been classed as a voluntary defence and the WBC would ratify a new mandatory.

The WBC didn't enforce Canelo to take the mandatory immediately and which allowed Canelo the chance to take another fight. Benavidez not wanting to wait around took a fight at 175 in the meantime against Gvodzyk. He informed the WBC he still wished to remain the WBC mandatory for Canelo and would move back down after Gvodzyk. However a few weeks after the fight Benavidez informed the WBC he was remaining at 175, thus surrendering his position as the WBC Mandatory for Canelo. However he was ratified as the mandatory challenger for the Bivol v Benavidez winner at LHW.

And that's why Benavidez is no longer the mandatory for Canelo. Benavidez was actually only the mandatory challenger for a matter of months, not years.

A very good and insightful post Targaryen.... Thanks for the explanation!

[MulaKO]

As long as Sulaiman is in place , Canelo will continue making his own rules as we’ve witnessed for the last couple of years
Remove Canelo from the equation and notice how fast they remove belts or are succumbed to decision making in ten days etc etc
Very clear view to the corruption and rule bending that goes on depending who the fighter is

[Grimmer]

Thanks for the education.

The WBC rules and the WBA rules BOTH require the champion to defend against a mandatory every year (WBC 3.5), although they've also added in discretion to not do that. The WBA did say that the regular belt was supposed to get a mandatory shot but declined to follow up on that with Canelo, but the WBC I definitely had the wrong idea about interim champs.

Upon looking it up, it appears that for the WBC, interim champions don't get mandatory status at all, as you said. I learned something new and disappointing about the WBC.



So getting an interim championship for the WBC actually appears to be potentially really bad. But that's still not on Benavidez. The fact that the WBC let Canelo avoid facing a mandatory and refused to declare him a mandatory until after beating Andrade is the problem. And remember that the WBC also gave Benavidez only 10 days to decide whether he wanted to stay at 175 or continue waiting at 168 for Canelo, and never ordered Canelo to defend vs his mandatory. Part of that might have been because Canelo was "franchise champion," which gave him "special status with regards to his mandatory obligations", and Canelo had made it clear he was never going to fight Benavidez unless someone met his 200 million asking price. In any case, although you were right to say that he wasn't mandatory for years as Morrell was, it was abundantly clear that Canelo was refusing to face him, and the WBC was refusing to order the fight. That in no way is Benavidez hanging things up for Canelo.

Dillian Whyte was WBC Interim for like 4 years and Suilaman kept mandating other guys. Wilder had agreed to rematch Ortiz and Fury, so Suilaman declared a double back to back mandatory, of Ortiz and Fury. Then when Fury and Wilder had agreed to fight the 3rd time, because so much time had passed with Covid, another mando was due so this time Wilder was declared the Mando. And none of those mandos were to do with enforcing a fight or adjudicating a split, because the fights were all signed and agreed, it was just to tick the box for that years mandatory and to tell Whyte better luck next year.

[crimsonfalcon07]

Dillian Whyte was WBC Interim for like 4 years and Suilaman kept mandating other guys. Wilder had agreed to rematch Ortiz and Fury, so Suilaman declared a double back to back mandatory, of Ortiz and Fury. Then when Fury and Wilder had agreed to fight the 3rd time, because so much time had passed with Covid, another mando was due so this time Wilder was declared the Mando. And none of those mandos were to do with enforcing a fight or adjudicating a split, because the fights were all signed and agreed, it was just to tick the box for that years mandatory and to tell Whyte better luck next year.

Yeah, the WBC is corrupt as hell. Boxing needs an overhaul badly IMO.

[Southpaw16]

This fight doesn’t happen because it’s high risk for Pacheco and doesn’t involve a massive ppv payout. Exactly why we need this saudi backed boxing league to work.

[Corelone]

This fight wont happen because the risks are too high for a worthless spot that carries no weight. Canelo has options. Mandatory or Bud?

[steeve steel]

Tf you talking about? 168 is trash and both guys are already top 5 if not top 10. Both can become champ easily fvkcing idiot

Ah! The sweet talker is back! Charms and personality combined with wit and knowledge. Fending for yourself, are you now? Did your boyfriend leave you?

[SouthpawRight]

Ah! The sweet talker is back! Charms and personality combined with wit and knowledge. Fending for yourself, are you now? Did your boyfriend leave you?

Diego-Mbilli is a good fight

Osleys can fight Mbilli after

Diego-Caleb is another one

[Grandma Lover]

Ah! The sweet talker is back! Charms and personality combined with wit and knowledge. Fending for yourself, are you now? Did your boyfriend leave you?

Hey this article only has 3 pages does that mean it's gonna do poor viewership numbers? fvkcing idiot

[JakeTheBoxer]

A good fight, but I doubt it will happen. They are both in the line to get canelo lottery ticket.