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    #11
    Lol I’ll always have strong DOUBTS about Marquez’s 4th fight with Pacquiao. He COULDN’T drop him once in the first 3 fights (whereas Pacquiao put him down four times in total) yet suddenly, out of nowhere, drops him twice (including a devastating KO) in the final fight whilst looking roided to the gills? GTFO!

    He also had a KNOWN steroid distributor in his corner for the fight and this article pre-fight questioned his muscular transformation and how he was suddenly able to squat huge amounts out of nowhere. It also said if he hurt or stopped Pacquiao, there’d always be question marks and that’s EXACTLY what happened.



    PS: Fck Mayweather! The only reason he retired undefeated is because he was the face of boxing and Vegas cash cow so it wasn’t in their interest that he lost. However, he should have at LEAST 2-3 losses to his name (ditto for Canelo who took over the mantle as Vegas cash cow and is equally PROTECTED!).
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      #12
      Originally posted by HisExcellency View Post
      Lol I’ll always have strong DOUBTS about Marquez’s 4th fight with Pacquiao. He COULDN’T drop him once in the first 3 fights (whereas Pacquiao put him down four times in total) yet suddenly, out of nowhere, drops him twice (including a devastating KO) in the final fight whilst looking roided to the gills? GTFO!

      He also had a KNOWN steroid distributor in his corner for the fight and this article pre-fight questioned his muscular transformation and how he was suddenly able to squat huge amounts out of nowhere. It also said if he hurt or stopped Pacquiao, there’d always be question marks and that’s EXACTLY what happened.



      PS: Fck Mayweather! The only reason he retired undefeated is because he was the face of boxing and Vegas cash cow so it wasn’t in their interest that he lost. However, he should have at LEAST 2-3 losses to his name (ditto for Canelo who took over the mantle as Vegas cash cow and is equally PROTECTED!).
      1) Pac threw his face into JMM fist on purpose ?!?!? The 1st fight was my favorite. Pac had him down 3x in the 1st rd. And it had to go to the scorecards !!!!
      BTW, the rules of NSB is everyone is on roids !

      2) In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing


      "The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that. These accusations of me using any performance enhancing supplements are totally unwarranted and unjustified ."

      He's OK widdit 30+ days in advance, doe

      3) May faced much better comp than Pac did and had plenty of opportunities to lose. Bad hands and all. Being the face of the sport/cash cow AND p4p king was not handed to him. Pac was by far more "popular", yet could never climb up from under May's shadow,

      To look at Pac's resume, I find it hilarious that he didn't have an 0 when he fought May
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        #13
        Jmm said pac best of era. Maybe if floyd best jmm 3 times like pac did, and floyds resume was as great as pacs was, and more titles in 6 divisions and as old as pac win titles, then jm m might rate floyd a bit more highly
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          #14
          Originally posted by TheProudLunatic View Post

          1) Pac threw his face into JMM fist on purpose ?!?!? The 1st fight was my favorite. Pac had him down 3x in the 1st rd. And it had to go to the scorecards !!!!
          BTW, the rules of NSB is everyone is on roids !

          2) In his own words, Pacquiao on blood testing


          "The truth is taking blood out of my body does not seem natural to me and mentally I feel it will weaken me if blood is taken from me just days before the fight. That does not make sense to me why anyone would do that. These accusations of me using any performance enhancing supplements are totally unwarranted and unjustified ."

          He's OK widdit 30+ days in advance, doe

          3) May faced much better comp than Pac did and had plenty of opportunities to lose. Bad hands and all. Being the face of the sport/cash cow AND p4p king was not handed to him. Pac was by far more "popular", yet could never climb up from under May's shadow,

          To look at Pac's resume, I find it hilarious that he didn't have an 0 when he fought May
          Lol NONE of that changes the fact that Marquez looked roided to the gills in the fourth fight and was working with a WELL KNOWN steroid distributor during that camp! Also, in case you didn't know, the first fight was incorrectly scored a draw because one idiotic judge added up his scorecard incorrectly. Had he done his job properly, Pacquiao would've been awarded the victory. Look it up!

          Re Pacquiao and drug testing, he's NEVER failed a drugs test throughout his career and is a clean-living, devout Christian. End of story.

          As for Mayweather, there's absolutely NO way in hell that he has a better resume than Pacquiao. Also, let's not forget that he's the king of cherry-picking e.g. fought Canelo when he was green and weight drained at a catchweight, fought Marquez when he was weight drained at a catchweight (but came in HIGHER himself ), fought Mosley when he was 33yo and already had 5 losses and almost got sent to the MOON, cheated to beat Ortiz by taking advantage of his sportsmanship, fought Oscar when he already had 4 losses who even his DADDY thought he lost too (), fought Pacquiao when he was WAY past his best and old (38) and had already been brutally KO'd by PED user Marquez instead of in his prime a decade ago when he was dangerous. I could go on and on.

          Also, let's not forget that being the Vegas cash cow (and Haymon's star fighter), he's been protected throughout his career including having knockdowns against him NOT counted and losses against him NOT counted either (e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own DADDY thought he lost), Maidana 1 etc).

          In comparison, Pacquiao is a world champion in 8 weight classes (vs. 5 for Mayweather), 4 decade world champion (vs. 3 for Mayweather) and dropped and popped Thurman's cherry (and took his belt) when he was a 30yo, undefeated, heavily avoided power puncher despite being 40yo himself. That's a risk Mayweather wouldn't DARE take!

          TBE my (_!_)
          Last edited by HisExcellency; 03-21-2025, 06:03 AM.
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            #15
            Having said all that...I DO actually like Floyd! He's a fantastic master boxer and a defensive genius. However, NONE of this changes the fact that he's the king of cherry-picking and has massively benefitted from being the Vegas cash cow by having multiple knockdowns/losses NOT counted against him which is the only reason why he retired undefeated.

            Ditto for Canelo who should've lost the first two Golovkin fights and probably against Lara too. In fact, despite being soundly beaten by Bivol (152 vs. 84 according to CompuBox), Bivol was only awarded victory by the SLIMMEST of margins on all 3 scorecards (115-113) which shows the level of corruption!

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              #16
              Floyd stopped being scared of Manny once he saw him get ko'd

              Pacquiao/Marquez rivalry is what boxing is about. Great rivalries that brought out the best in both fighters.

              Much respect to both those guys who put it on the line knowing a ko could happen either way

              Floyd can only watch guys like that because he only wanted easy fights in his favor




              Last edited by djtmal; 03-21-2025, 07:49 AM.

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                #17
                Originally posted by HisExcellency View Post

                Lol NONE of that changes the fact that Marquez looked roided to the gills in the fourth fight and was working with a WELL KNOWN steroid distributor during that camp! Also, in case you didn't know, the first fight was incorrectly scored a draw because one idiotic judge added up his scorecard incorrectly. Had he done his job properly, Pacquiao would've been awarded the victory. Look it up!

                Re Pacquiao and drug testing, he's NEVER failed a drugs test throughout his career and is a clean-living, devout Christian. End of story.

                As for Mayweather, there's absolutely NO way in hell that he has a better resume than Pacquiao. Also, let's not forget that he's the king of cherry-picking e.g. fought Canelo when he was green and weight drained at a catchweight, fought Marquez when he was weight drained at a catchweight (but came in HIGHER himself ), fought Mosley when he was 33yo and already had 5 losses and almost got sent to the MOON, cheated to beat Ortiz by taking advantage of his sportsmanship, fought Oscar when he already had 4 losses who even his DADDY thought he lost too (), fought Pacquiao when he was WAY past his best and old (38) and had already been brutally KO'd by PED user Marquez instead of in his prime a decade ago when he was dangerous. I could go on and on.

                Also, let's not forget that being the Vegas cash cow (and Haymon's star fighter), he's been protected throughout his career including having knockdowns against him NOT counted and losses against him NOT counted either (e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own DADDY thought he lost), Maidana 1 etc).

                In comparison, Pacquiao is a world champion in 8 weight classes (vs. 5 for Mayweather), 4 decade world champion (vs. 3 for Mayweather) and dropped and popped Thurman's cherry (and took his belt) when he was a 30yo, undefeated, heavily avoided power puncher despite being 40yo himself. That's a risk Mayweather wouldn't DARE take!

                TBE my (_!_)
                Originally posted by HisExcellency View Post

                Lol NONE of that changes the fact that Marquez looked roided to the gills in the fourth fight and was working with a WELL KNOWN steroid distributor during that camp! Also, in case you didn't know, the first fight was incorrectly scored a draw because one idiotic judge added up his scorecard incorrectly. Had he done his job properly, Pacquiao would've been awarded the victory. Look it up!

                Re Pacquiao and drug testing, he's NEVER failed a drugs test throughout his career and is a clean-living, devout Christian. End of story.

                As for Mayweather, there's absolutely NO way in hell that he has a better resume than Pacquiao. Also, let's not forget that he's the king of cherry-picking e.g. fought Canelo when he was green and weight drained at a catchweight, fought Marquez when he was weight drained at a catchweight (but came in HIGHER himself ), fought Mosley when he was 33yo and already had 5 losses and almost got sent to the MOON, cheated to beat Ortiz by taking advantage of his sportsmanship, fought Oscar when he already had 4 losses who even his DADDY thought he lost too (), fought Pacquiao when he was WAY past his best and old (38) and had already been brutally KO'd by PED user Marquez instead of in his prime a decade ago when he was dangerous. I could go on and on.

                Also, let's not forget that being the Vegas cash cow (and Haymon's star fighter), he's been protected throughout his career including having knockdowns against him NOT counted and losses against him NOT counted either (e.g. Castillo 1, DLH (his own DADDY thought he lost), Maidana 1 etc).

                In comparison, Pacquiao is a world champion in 8 weight classes (vs. 5 for Mayweather), 4 decade world champion (vs. 3 for Mayweather) and dropped and popped Thurman's cherry (and took his belt) when he was a 30yo, undefeated, heavily avoided power puncher despite being 40yo himself. That's a risk Mayweather wouldn't DARE take!

                TBE my (_!_)
                Marquez won the quadrilogy. He gave manny a boxing lesson in 3 and clapped him in 4. manny thought he could age out Marquez only to be shocked

                Going by your logic Juan has NEVER failed a drug test throughout his career. But manny did duck drug testing for 5 years

                manny has an inferior record

                manny was conquered by 2/3 of his rivals and would fight lesser versions of their mutual opponents

                manny waited to fight an older Mosley who was beat by Floyd first (the pattern manny’s stardom was derived from), tried to age out Marquez 3 and Floyd only to have it backfire, and cherry-picked margarito to get a belt in a new class at a catchweight instead of fighting Paul Williams

                You can’t even name all of the rounds Oscar took when he fought Floyd.

                Floyd fought a better Oscar than manny. Oscar took only 4 rounds: 2, 4, 6, and 12.

                Marcos didn’t do enough to take the 7 rounds needed to win a fight. Floyd often controlled center ring

                Jose got swept in the first 5 rounds couldn’t take 7 rounds total and lost

                Zab’s flash kd over Floyd was too quick for the ref to catch and wouldn’t have changed the decision because Zab took max 4 rounds: 1, 2, 4, and 12. this unruled kd happened before Floyd became the cash cow with cash cow privileges​

                Alvarez would go onto become a great. Thurman has done zip since manny.

                But first manny went on a cherry spree for 4 fights in 3 years: Vargas-Horn-Lucas-Broner and lost to Horn

                You must have been on the losing side of the Floyd-manny conflict

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                  #18
                  Originally posted by SouthpawRight View Post
                  Marquez won the quadrilogy. He gave manny a boxing lesson in 3 and clapped him in 4. manny thought he could age out Marquez only to be shocked

                  Going by your logic Juan has NEVER failed a drug test throughout his career. But manny did duck drug testing for 5 years

                  manny has an inferior record

                  manny was conquered by 2/3 of his rivals and would fight lesser versions of their mutual opponents

                  manny waited to fight an older Mosley who was beat by Floyd first (the pattern manny’s stardom was derived from), tried to age out Marquez 3 and Floyd only to have it backfire, and cherry-picked margarito to get a belt in a new class at a catchweight instead of fighting Paul Williams

                  You can’t even name all of the rounds Oscar took when he fought Floyd.

                  Floyd fought a better Oscar than manny. Oscar took only 4 rounds: 2, 4, 6, and 12.

                  Marcos didn’t do enough to take the 7 rounds needed to win a fight. Floyd often controlled center ring

                  Jose got swept in the first 5 rounds couldn’t take 7 rounds total and lost

                  Zab’s flash kd over Floyd was too quick for the ref to catch and wouldn’t have changed the decision because Zab took max 4 rounds: 1, 2, 4, and 12. this unruled kd happened before Floyd became the cash cow with cash cow privileges​

                  Alvarez would go onto become a great. Thurman has done zip since manny.

                  But first manny went on a cherry spree for 4 fights in 3 years: Vargas-Horn-Lucas-Broner and lost to Horn

                  You must have been on the losing side of the Floyd-manny conflict
                  - - What grade was U in then?

                  BALCO Juan and l'l floydy and he crack daddy were dud draws in Vegas until l'l ducked Manny for years while paying out a wad of cash with a public apology after losing the defamation suit that Manny brought before the court.

                  Yer welcome...yeah!!!

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                    #19
                    Originally posted by QueensburyRules View Post

                    - - What grade was U in then?

                    BALCO Juan and l'l floydy and he crack daddy were dud draws in Vegas until l'l ducked Manny for years while paying out a wad of cash with a public apology after losing the defamation suit that Manny brought before the court.

                    Yer welcome...yeah!!!
                    prior to getting knocked out by Marquez

                    Juan 9-3’d manny

                    Marquez swept rounds 3 through 10 in match 3

                    The performance turned manny emo and he had his head down

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                      #20
                      Floyd looking at his legacy...

                      A cheating jmm stole his glory and disrupted boxing history...all the shyt he done for the sport and all the shyt he talked of roids....

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