Comments Thread For: Vergil Ortiz's promoter not interested right now in title fight with Bakhram Murtazaliev

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

yeah genius its because he a certain nationality that EVERYONE is just wainting for something anything to critize him about okkkkkkkkk LOL maybe we should all just BE QUIET and not express any opinions incase the OFFEND SNOWFLAKES like YOU!!!! LOL

The guy just fought Bohachuk and Madrimov back to back and won, he and his trainer have gone on record to say they'll fight anybody. What reasons has he given you for hating on him other than beating ex soviet fighters???

He lets his fists fly when he's up on that ring, he's a humble fighter and never disrespects his future or past opponents, he doesn't brag about being the best boxer or the face of boxing . What's there to hate about him? Sounds like you're the SNOWFLAKE getting triggered by an American fighter that wins against guys at 154 that he's supposed to lose against.

You're just an unhappy troll BirdS-hit! I don't think I've ever read a single post of yours that offers insight or an opinion based on tactic, style or anything of value to a fight or fighter. Why don't you break down a fight and explain what it is that deserves criticism? Aside from trolling, do you offer anything of value to this board? Maybe you do and I've just not read it considering that I haven't been posting on this board for that long.

You don't know how to respectfully disagree on a matter so you resort to ad hominem when discussing a matter that you disagree on like a 17 year old kid who thinks he knows it all.

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

I’ll give Ortiz the benefit of doubt on this one
If his hands are fughed then not much more can be said
But I do have a hard time digesting the fact he’s not pouncing on a title fight especially with Turki’s money

Virgil should be given at least 6 months to recover before getting back in the ring, but if he takes a fight in June and it isn't against Murta and it is proven that an offer was indeed sent to Virgil, well he deserves to be criticized for turning it down considering that he and his entire team have gone on record to say that'll he'll fight anyone.

But I've see recent videos of him not wanting to shake hands with people because of his hand injuries and I've seen videos of his father and Oscar stating that they have not received an offer from anyone for Virgil to fight Murta. If I'm being truthful that's a tough fight for Virgil that I give the slight edge to Murta if they do fight in the near future. It would be a great fight, but I just think that Murta might be a bit too much for Virgil....

[MulaKO]

Virgil should be given at least 6 months to recover before getting back in the ring, but if he takes a fight in June and it isn't against Murta and it is proven that an offer was indeed sent to Virgil, well he deserves to be criticized for turning it down considering that he and his entire team have gone on record to say that'll he'll fight anyone.

But I've see recent videos of him not wanting to shake hands with people because of his hand injuries and I've seen videos of his father and Oscar stating that they have not received an offer from anyone for Virgil to fight Murta. If I'm being truthful that's a tough fight for Virgil that I give the slight edge to Murta if they do fight in the near future. It would be a great fight, but I just think that Murta might be a bit too much for Virgil....

Don’t all boxers say something to that degree ; they’ll fight anyone
Not the point anyway but yes if he goes through with some kind of fight then the gist is up and plausible by haunts directed to him
I also think Murta might get the better of him but depends much on how he takes Virgil’s power imo

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

Don’t all boxers say something to that degree ; they’ll fight anyone
Not the point anyway but yes if he goes through with some kind of fight then the gist is up and plausible by haunts directed to him
I also think Murta might get the better of him but depends much on how he takes Virgil’s power imo

To some degree, but then they add something along the line of "if the price is right" or "if it makes dollars, it makes sense". One of the reasons that Virgil made a believer out of me was how easy the Bohachuk and Madrimov fights were made. No long negotiations or roadblocks and his trainer mentioning many times on video how Virgil is willing to fight anyone. That's a bold statement to make and puts a lot of pressure on Virgil.

As for the Murta fight, I agree with you that it depends on how well he takes Virgil's shots. As hard hitting as Virgil is, both Bohachuk and Madrimov were able to take Virgil's shots without tasting the canvass so that leads me to believe that a bigger Murta is gonna be able to handle Virgil's shots just as well.

Murta is taller than Virgil and I think he's gonna be able to land on him easier than Madrimov was able to, especially with that left hook. Tszyu was able to land a few hard shots on Murta and Murta took them well. Hopefully we'll be able to see that fight soon though...

[crimsonfalcon07]

Virgil should be given at least 6 months to recover before getting back in the ring, but if he takes a fight in June and it isn't against Murta and it is proven that an offer was indeed sent to Virgil, well he deserves to be criticized for turning it down considering that he and his entire team have gone on record to say that'll he'll fight anyone.

But I've see recent videos of him not wanting to shake hands with people because of his hand injuries and I've seen videos of his father and Oscar stating that they have not received an offer from anyone for Virgil to fight Murta. If I'm being truthful that's a tough fight for Virgil that I give the slight edge to Murta if they do fight in the near future. It would be a great fight, but I just think that Murta might be a bit too much for Virgil....

You don't think Oscar would turn it down without even talking to Vergil? Because I do. And it's even a reasonable call to make.

There's a few points here that need to be made.

First, Vergil isn't ranked by the IBF, as he's an interim champion for the WBC. The IBF wouldn't likely sanction the fight, as historically they, and the other organizations, don't like putting their champs in against secondary titlists, because it isn't viewed as an equal unification.

I don't remember if Tszyu was mandatory, and the IBF rules have quite a bit to say about voluntary defenses, especially if the opponent isn't ranked by the IBF. So that makes me VERY su****ious that an offer was actually sent.

Second, Vergil is WBC interim for Fundora. That's likely the next ordered fight for Fundora, if he makes it past Booker, since Crawford doesn't want to fight him. IMO that's a far better fight for Vergil to take. He gets a shot at two belts, gets one by email if Fundora ducks him, and it's likely better money than Murtazaliev, who was completely unheralded for any but stal***** of the sport prior to his beatdown of Tszyu, unless you were a Jack Culcay fan. And can you honestly fault him for taking a shot at the unified champ, rather than wasting time on negotiations for a champ who might get stripped for fighting him?

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

so u think the ""other side"" are just making crap UP bringing TURKIS name into it for NO REASON oh yeah REALLY ill just name drop a TURKI LIE and see if he dont NOTICE!!! LOL GET REAL u are CLUELESS LMAOOO

If Team Duva is gonna claim that an offer was sent, why not include emails or back and forth dialogue? That's pretty easy to do...

When Turki put an offer out to both Bud and Boots to fight Virgil, Turki went on record to say that an offer was presented to all parties but Virgil was the only one that agreed to the offers. Now, in no way am I implying that Bud was afraid to fight Virgil, but he did turn down the offer because he was holding out to fight Ginger. Boots turned down the offer to stay at 147 to try and unify 147.

I have yet to hear from Turki stating that he did in fact send Virgil an offer. If he does come out and state that, I have no problem admitting that I was wrong. If Turki doesn't come out and state he in fact did send an offer or if Team Duva doesn't show receipts, are you willing to admit that you are just trolling or just flat out hating?? I highly doubt you will, you're just a loud chirping BirdS-hit!

[MulaKO]

To some degree, but then they add something along the line of "if the price is right" or "if it makes dollars, it makes sense". One of the reasons that Virgil made a believer out of me was how easy the Bohachuk and Madrimov fights were made. No long negotiations or roadblocks and his trainer mentioning many times on video how Virgil is willing to fight anyone. That's a bold statement to make and puts a lot of pressure on Virgil.

As for the Murta fight, I agree with you that it depends on how well he takes Virgil's shots. As hard hitting as Virgil is, both Bohachuk and Madrimov were able to take Virgil's shots without tasting the canvass so that leads me to believe that a bigger Murta is gonna be able to handle Virgil's shots just as well.

Murta is taller than Virgil and I think he's gonna be able to land on him easier than Madrimov was able to, especially with that left hook. Tszyu was able to land a few hard shots on Murta and Murta took them well. Hopefully we'll be able to see that fight soon though...

Bigger isn’t necessarily better
But yeah good fight to be made although I can see him going the Fundora way and later facing Murta

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

You don't think Oscar would turn it down without even talking to Vergil? Because I do. And it's even a reasonable call to make.

There's a few points here that need to be made.

First, Vergil isn't ranked by the IBF, as he's an interim champion for the WBC. The IBF wouldn't likely sanction the fight, as historically they, and the other organizations, don't like putting their champs in against secondary titlists, because it isn't viewed as an equal unification.

I don't remember if Tszyu was mandatory, and the IBF rules have quite a bit to say about voluntary defenses, especially if the opponent isn't ranked by the IBF. So that makes me VERY su****ious that an offer was actually sent.

Second, Vergil is WBC interim for Fundora. That's likely the next ordered fight for Fundora, if he makes it past Booker, since Crawford doesn't want to fight him. IMO that's a far better fight for Vergil to take. He gets a shot at two belts, gets one by email if Fundora ducks him, and it's likely better money than Murtazaliev, who was completely unheralded for any but stal***** of the sport prior to his beatdown of Tszyu, unless you were a Jack Culcay fan. And can you honestly fault him for taking a shot at the unified champ, rather than wasting time on negotiations for a champ who might get stripped for fighting him?

You bring up valid points and reasonable explanations crimson that I won't/can't argue, but I will answer your first question.
I don't think Oscar would turn it down without discussing with Virgil first. He more than likely would try to convince Virgil not to take the fight and Virgil might decline after consulting with Oscar, but just like he tried to convince Schofield to turn down the fight with Shakur when it was first offered to him, he reluctantly agreed and left it up to his fighter.

[RuleOfTheSpear]

Vergil never fought for a world title in his life!.

I'm not surprised!

[LarryMerchant'sBottle]

what are u on about?????? if it was NOT TRUE turki would have said something~!!!!! IDIOT!!!!!

You're an IDIOT BirdS-hit, just too S-tupid to know it. When Boots turned down the offer, Turki went on record and stated that Boots turned down the offer. Turki has yet to go on record to state that Virgil has turned down the offer. Turki has no problem going on record and stating what he feels is truth and because he hasn't, it is logical to think that it isn't true, but you don't understand logic BirdS-hit because your brain is the size of a Bird's, thus your screen name BirdS-hit.

You didn't answer. If it turns out that no offer was presented to Virgil, will you own up and say that you were wrong? Of course you won't, you'll just deflect and think it goes unnoticed. You're a troll who never discusses boxing!