Comments Thread For: Bivol-Beterbiev remains a Russian classic in need of translation and a third act

[TMLT87]

We dont NEED a third fight, but I think most people would want one as its been competitive and both were excellent fights.

Either guy vs Benavidez is the only fight that would be good enough to forego the trilogy for it.

[champion4ever]

I scored both fights live, you don't even see the full scope of compubox until after the fact so you're wrong, nor do I care about compubox.

Reading comprehension might help in your daily life boy, compubox does nothing for me.

And if I was basing my scoring off compubox I would of scored the fight 9-3 in Bivols favor and the first fight for Beterbiev but I didn't.

I'm scoring based on effective aggression, ring generalship, defense and hard and clean Punches.

And in both fights for most of the fight(s) Beterbiev was ineffective with his aggression, his ring generalship was mediocre, Bivol clearly had the better defense and was landing the cleaner punches for the majority of the fight(s).

Like I said Beterbiev is credited for hip punches, rabbit punches and all the punches he lands on forearms and gloves.

Which BTW all the forearm and gloves fall on the defensive side of scoring and Bivol has one of if not the best high guards in all of boxing and great lateral movement to go along with it...

Considering from my first post mentioning compubox I said it was unreliable I don't know why you keep mentioning it.

Old men clicking buttons when they THINK a punch has landed has no bearing on who is winning.

What caused this pissing match?

[Boro]

What caused this pissing match?

He accused me of being a bullshítter (liar) with no justification from my first post, I asked him to clarify my alleged lies and he just doubles down without clarification or justification.

He also implied I rely on compubox when my first comment in regards to compubox was literally stating how unreliable it is.

Fury vs Wilder had a lot more drama involved and multiple prevailing narratives throughout making it a more appealing trilogy to CASUALS than Bivol vs Beterbiev - apparently a lie!?

Using the unreliable stats from compubox is pretty much alignment with me when it comes to CLEAR rounds for Beterbiev -again apparently a lie, I didn't know people who rely on numbers could believe numbers lie!?

The IMPERATIVE words being in RED.

And lastly he randomly accused me of using excuses for someone?! though I literally can't fathom who I'm excusing or how these narratives are being created in his head.

P.S. being accused of being a liar is disgraceful, particularly when I pride myself on not lying, my primary goal was to seek clarity on the accusation(s).

And pretty much all of my responses boil down to "what's bullshít!? and take some reading comprehension classes".

I didn't expect a pensioner to devolve into "nana nana boo boo" type behavior.

Also how can an opinion be a lie!?

[champion4ever]

He accused me of being a bullshítter (liar) with no justification from my first post, I asked him to clarify my alleged lies and he just doubles down without clarification or justification.

He also implied I rely on compubox when my first comment in regards to compubox was literally stating how unreliable it is.

Fury vs Wilder had a lot more drama involved and multiple prevailing narratives throughout making it a more appealing trilogy to CASUALS than Bivol vs Beterbiev - apparently a lie!?

Using the unreliable stats from compubox is pretty much alignment with me when it comes to CLEAR rounds for Beterbiev -again apparently a lie, I didn't know people who rely on numbers could believe numbers lie!?

The IMPERATIVE words being in RED.

And lastly he randomly accused me of using excuses for someone?! though I literally can't fathom who I'm excusing or how these narratives are being created in his head.

P.S. being accused of being a liar is disgraceful, particularly when I pride myself on not lying, my primary goal was to seek clarity on the accusation(s).

And pretty much all of my responses boil down to "what's bullshít!? and take some reading comprehension classes".

I didn't expect a pensioner to devolve into "nana nana boo boo" type behavior.

Also how can an opinion be a lie!?

I'm like you. I believed that Bivol won both fights too. While, I thought they both performed better in the rematch. I just thought that Bivol out performed Beterviev even more this time. He was clearly the better man that night.

He took more risks. He even threw and landed more punches as well. Should there be another rematch probably not? However, I wouldn't mind seeing it again, if both fighters agree to do it again for entertainment purposes only.

Even while knowing full in advance that Dmitry Bivol is the more complete, well-rounded and fundamentally sound of the two. He is simply just the better fighter.

Once Dmitry decides that he is not going to trade punches with Artur by sticking and moving. Then Beterbiev doesn't stand much of a chance of winning because he doesn't know how to cut off the ring.

[Boro]

I'm like you. I believed that Bivol won both fights too. While, I thought they both performed better in the rematch. I just thought that Bivol out performed Beterviev even more this time. He was clearly the better man that night.

He took more risks. He even threw and landed more punches as well. Should there be another rematch probably not? However, I wouldn't mind seeing it again, if both fighters agree to do it again for entertainment purposes only.

Even while knowing full in advance that Dmitry Bivol is the more complete, well-rounded and fundamentally sound of the two. He is simply just the better fighter.

Once Dmitry decides that he is not going to trade punches with Artur by sticking and moving. Then Beterbiev doesn't stand much of a chance of winning because he doesn't know how to cut off the ring.

I definitely would like to see a third, they can't have a bad fight unless Beterbiev ages badly, they just gel so well stylistically.

But guys like Benavidez/Smith deserve their shot we don't need three fights B2B IMO.

Particularly when the first two have proven to be "more of the same" and the gap between the two is just widening.

Given it seems like Bivols in his peak ATM, experience and physicality coalescing at the perfect time.

[SouthpawRight]

One can make a case for both. Since officially they are evenly split. A rubber match is made to order.

However and in my judgement; Dmitry Bivol has already proven that he is hands down the better fighter both times the two have fought.

In fight one, Artur Beterbiev received a political gift decision based on his faith. That he did not earn in which Dmitry Bivol clearly won.

It’s strange because you can hear more people rooting for Bivol in Saudi

[champion4ever]

It’s strange because you can hear more people rooting for Bivol in Saudi

True, but Beterbiev was definitely Turki's horse in that race. He wanted him to win. Then as the second fight's scorecards were being read; One could easily discern the look of disappointment on his face as Artur lost the fight.

In addition, Turki Alalshikh subsequently held three fingers at Artur after the cards were read. Which to me at least; Indicating a third fight or trilogy with Dmitry Bivol.

You know what I found so ironic? is that Artur admitted that he wasn't even interested in giving Bivol an immediate rematch. However, I guess he was probably pressured by his handlers in order to do so because of the money.

Moreover, he isn't even keen on doing a trilogy either and neither is Bivol. Who stated that he recently had surgery prior to the rematch and that his body needs more time to heal.

It doesn't mean that they won't have the trilogy but at least they won't be having it anytime soon. Bivol has nothing but time on his hands. Those two guys are exhausted so I say let them rest.

Even though Benny is Dmitry's mandatory challenger. Most title holders are given at least a year before defending them.

[JakeTheBoxer]

True, but Beterbiev was definitely Turki's horse in that race. .

I don`t think so. Didn`t Turki call the first fight a robbery?

I believe Turki wanted Bivol to win the first fight, to move on and fight Benavidez next.

Turki has told to Bivol that he wanted him to fight Beterbiev, Benavidez, Opetaia.

[champion4ever]

I don`t think so. Didn`t Turki call the first fight a robbery?

I believe Turki wanted Bivol to win the first fight, to move on and fight Benavidez next.

Turki has told to Bivol that he wanted him to fight Beterbiev, Benavidez, Opetaia.

You may be right but I think it was just more of a face-saving move because most ringside observers and boxing fans alike. All believed that Dmitry had won the fight but was ripped off by the three official judges. Which was also the same reason why Turki ordered an immediate rematch.

[SouthpawRight]

I don`t think so. Didn`t Turki call the first fight a robbery?

I believe Turki wanted Bivol to win the first fight, to move on and fight Benavidez next.

Turki has told to Bivol that he wanted him to fight Beterbiev, Benavidez, Opetaia.

You may be right but I think it was just more of a face-saving move because most ringside observers and boxing fans alike. All believed that Dmitry had won the fight but was ripped off by the three official judges. Which was also the same reason why Turki ordered an immediate rematch.

Excellency scored fight 1 Bivol 7-5

from business perspective you would favor Bivol. He’s the more popular fighter with a greater number of fights left in him

Jai would be Bivol’s hardest match

Explosive southpaw with a nice step back and counter game who has a significant reach advantage

Bivol isn’t rangy for these big man weights but successfully fights as if he’s tall