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    What was Usyks easiest opponent at heavyweight... Tyson Fury or Chazz Witherspoon on short notice?

    Chisora and AJ gave Usyk noticeably tougher fights than Fury imo. Dubois arguably knocked Usyk out but got robbed by the crooked ref. That leaves only Chazz Witherspoon as someone to compare Fury's subpar performance against. The problem is Chazz only had 4 days notice to fight Usyk and he ended up quitting due to exhaustion from limited training. He did however land some good shots, although few and far between, just like Fury. Each guy perhaps won 2 rounds against Usyk? Fury seemed to be the one in much more trouble from punches though and got rocked very bad and dropped. But because he had sufficient training time in a proper camp, he was able to hang on and survive the full 12, unlike Chazz who succumbed to the exhaustion of a short notice fill-in opponent. So Chazz or Fury?

    #2
    If usyk koed fury in 9th, usyk might feel it's toughest 9 rounds he's ever had.
    But if usyk does a best I've faced interview, fury s name might be up there

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      #3
      Oleksandr Uysk's most easiest fight at Heavyweight, was obviously Chazz Witherspoon 'The real debate, was out of Chisora, Fury and Joshua. Which of these Heavyweight Challenges, were the most difficult fights for Uysk? In my opinion, all three challenges posed Uysk with a slightly different challenge. And they were each more difficult in certain areas, but overall? I honestly believe Anthony Joshua was Oleksandr Uysk's toughest Heavyweight Challenge. And I will back this up, with statistics and evidence from the action of both Joshua vs Uysk I & II fights. Were overall both technically and from a share physiological perspective Oleksandr Uysk encountered his most difficult Heavyweight challenge.

      Derek Chisora fought Oleksandr Uysk at a great time in his Heavyweight career 'That fight was the litmus test for Uysk, on whether he could manage and compete with true Heavyweight brute strength. At that stage of Uysk's career, people in the boxing world were well aware? That Uysk had the skill for skill boxing game, to compete at Heavyweight. But there was a big uncertainty on whether he would be able to manage and negate the strength and power of his Heavyweight competitors.

      In the lead up to the Tyson Fury fight, I continually stated? That Oleksandr Uysk may have already beaten a better more dangerous Super Heavyweight than Tyson Fury 'Therefore people need to not put too much emphasis, on the fact that Tyson Fury is going to potentially outweigh Uysk by 40 to 50 + pounds. Anthony Joshua is not only a Super Heavyweight fighter, he is pound for pound a by far better athlete than Fury with more proven punching power. I pointed this out, to highlight that? Oleksandr Uysk is not going to be intimidated or overwhelmed by the brute strength and mass of Fury, nowhere near to the level which certain folk in the boxing community and media were trying their upmost best to claim'.

      And come May 18th 2024, Oleksandr Uysk while being outweighed by 40 + pounds 'Was able to back Tyson Fury up all night, stun him multiple times during the fight. And completely smash him up in round 9. In comparison? Oleksandr Uysk during his two fights vs Anthony Joshua I & II. Uysk was unbale to back Joshua up for long periods of time, neither was he able to hurt or damage Joshua to the level that he smashed up and hurt Tyson Fury'.

      We don't need statistical analysis to understand, that what I have just stated 'Is a straight forward comparison, contrasting the differences between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua's attempts to beat Oleksandr Uysk'.

      A lot has been made of apparently Tyson Fury hurting Oleksandr Uysk with uppercuts in their first fight 'In my opinion, from observation and how historically fighters react when they are genuinely hurt? Anthony Joshua was able to hurt Oleksandr Uysk more in his second fight, both to the body and up top during round 9. Oleksandr Uysk was stumbling about the ring, he had been clearly moved by Joshua's power and strength'.

      Tyson Fury was never able to have that sort of impact on Oleksandr Uysk I 'Yes, Fury landed some great uppercuts. But Oleksandr Uysk almost immediately recovered and then continued to pressure Tyson Fury. It has been a exaggeration since their first fight? That Tyson Fury was able too seriously hurt Oleksandr Uysk. A fighter being stunned, and badly hurt are two differently levels of jeopardy'.

      In my opinion Tyson Fury was never able to put Oleksandr Uysk 'Under the same level of jeopardy that Anthony Joshua was able to. Joshua's power and offensive abilities put his opponent's in a position, where potentially they are only ever one punch away from the fight completely being turned 180 degrees'. Tyson Fury has historically never offensively been that level of Heavyweight fighter at top level, and this showed vs Oleksandr Uysk I'

      Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua tactically fought very similar fights vs Oleksandr Uysk 'But any honest boxing analyst, would have to admit? That Anthony Joshua managed the pace of Uysk better than Fury, and overall posed technically a marginally more difficult fight'.

      Note: The statistics of both contests also display this, which I will now post down below:

      'Oleksandr Uysk was able to land 170 punches against both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'But the difference was? Uysk vs Joshua was having to produce a greater effort in order to land those punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 407 punches vs Tyson Fury, and landed a total of 170 punches. Were as against Anthony Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 712 punches, and landed a total of 170 punches'.

      Those statistics were taken from Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua II 'Joshua actually out worked Uysk during their first fight, Anthony Joshua threw a total of 641 punches and landed a total of 123 punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 529 punches, and landed a total of 148 punches'.​

      The statistics of the fight action from all three fights, showed that Oleksandr Uysk in order to beat Anthony Joshua twice back to back 'Had to produce a greater effort, than he did up against Tyson Fury in their first fight. Definitively for sure? The version of Oleksandr Uysk that fought Anthony Joshua II, is potentially the best Heavyweight version of Uysk we have seen'.

      Just to put things into perspective 'The work rate that Oleksandr Uysk was able to produce vs Anthony Joshua II. That level of intensity, was comparable at times to a peak Ricky Hatton. Uysk is a heavyweight fighter, who has the ability to fight with a similar intensity comparable to a World and Elite level Lower weight class fighter'.

      This is a trait historically which has been associated with past Heavyweight era's 'The Heavyweight fighters of the 90's, 80's and 70's. Appeared to at times, fight with the intensity of a Middle to Super Middle Weight Fighters'.

      Larry Merchant once made this statement 'I like Mike Tyson best, when he appears like he is a big Middle Weight fighter'. That statement was made, moments before he fought Alex Stewart.

      In this Modern Super Heavyweight era, a hallmark trait of the fighters 'Is that their fight intensity is decreased. And predominantly there overall conditioning is not as great, compared to past Heavyweight fighters from other era's'.

      And if we analyse Oleksandr Uysk as a fighter 'And all of his best performances at heavyweight. Uysk is for the most part negating these Super Heavyweight fighters, not only with his fundamental boxing skills, but also with his endurance'

      Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'The fight was pretty much done, by the mid-way point of the contest. Sebastian Coe, and Steve Ovett were great middle distance runners. At their absolute peak, there would be a point in their races were? They are able to enter into a different level of intensity, and turn on the after burners. Ether the other competitors were able to stay with them, or they were destroyed'.

      Daniel Dubois was done by the mid way point vs Oleksandr Uysk, Derek Chisora was done by the mid way point vs Oleksandr Uysk 'The longer the fight progressed vs Chisora, you could see Uysk becoming more invulnerable to Chisora's attacks. And Chisora's offensive and brute strength was decreasing in its effects, as the rounds progressed. Anthony Joshua by the mid way point of both of his fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II? At this stage of each contest, although Joshua managed the pace of the fights better than Fury. Still this was the stage in the fight, were you could see the fight move away from Anthony Joshua'.

      And on May 18th 2024, Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'Fury in the second half of the fight, in my opinion? Completely fell apart, he was unable to manage the pace and intensity of Oleksandr Uysk I. Tyson Fury was smashed up in round 9, and even at this point of the fight ? Fury was unable to produce a counter attack to turn the fight around'.

      To conclude: So, overall Derek Chisora, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Are the three most toughest contests, Oleksandr Uysk has encountered as a Heavyweight fighter. I would marginally rate Anthony Joshua I & II as his toughest overall challenged, based on the evidence and statistics of those two fights. Joshua challenged Uysk both in the realm of skill, and the realm of jeopardy combined with physiological damage'.

      If you compare Oleksandr Uysk's physiological state in the aftermath of all three fights 'Uysk was mostly smashed up vs Anthony Joshua and Derek Chisora. Whereas vs Tyson Fury he seemed to have sustained less physiological damage'.

      All of the evidence that I have analysed in this post, both statistical and from empirical observations' In my opinion, proves that overall Anthony Joshua was Oleksandr Uysk's toughest Heavyweight challenge. And his greatest technical and physiological feat he has achieved as a Heavyweight fighter in his career' etc.
      Last edited by PRINCEKOOL; 11-29-2024, 11:33 AM.
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        #4
        Originally posted by hugh grant View Post
        If usyk koed fury in 9th, usyk might feel it's toughest 9 rounds he's ever had.
        But if usyk does a best I've faced interview, fury s name might be up there
        It wasn't a close fight though, nowhere near as close as Chisora or AJ. Fury had a few decent rounds but that just meant that he avoided being completely shut out by Usyk, so it wasn't total domination either.

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          #5
          Originally posted by PRINCEKOOL View Post
          Oleksandr Uysk's most easiest fight at Heavyweight, was obviously Chazz Witherspoon 'The real debate, was out of Chisora, Fury and Joshua. Which of these Heavyweight Challenges, were the most difficult fights for Uysk? In my opinion, all three challenges posed Uysk with a slightly different challenge. And they were each more difficult in certain areas, but overall? I honestly believe Anthony Joshua was Oleksandr Uysk's toughest Heavyweight Challenge. And I will back this up, with statistics and evidence from the action of both Joshua vs Uysk I & II fights. Were overall both technically and from a share physiological perspective Oleksandr Uysk encountered his most difficult Heavyweight challenge.

          Derek Chisora fought Oleksandr Uysk at a great time in his Heavyweight career 'That fight was the litmus test for Uysk, on whether he could manage and compete with true Heavyweight brute strength. At that stage of Uysk's career, people in the boxing world were well aware? That Uysk had the skill for skill boxing game, to compete at Heavyweight. But there was a big uncertainty on whether he would be able to manage and negate the strength and power of his Heavyweight competitors.

          In the lead up to the Tyson Fury fight, I continually stated? That Oleksandr Uysk may have already beaten a better more dangerous Super Heavyweight than Tyson Fury 'Therefore people need to not put too much emphasis, on the fact that Tyson Fury is going to potentially outweigh Uysk by 40 to 50 + pounds. Anthony Joshua is not only a Super Heavyweight fighter, he is pound for pound a by far better athlete than Fury with more proven punching power. I pointed this out, to highlight that? Oleksandr Uysk is not going to be intimidated or overwhelmed by the brute strength and mass of Fury, nowhere near to the level which certain folk in the boxing community and media were trying their upmost best to claim'.

          And come May 18th 2024, Oleksandr Uysk while being outweighed by 40 + pounds 'Was able to back Tyson Fury up all night, stun him multiple times during the fight. And completely smash him up in round 9. In comparison? Oleksandr Uysk during his two fights vs Anthony Joshua I & II. Uysk was unbale to back Joshua up for long periods of time, neither was he able to hurt or damage Joshua to the level that he smashed up and hurt Tyson Fury'.

          We don't need statistical analysis to understand, that what I have just stated 'Is a straight forward comparison, contrasting the differences between Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua's attempts to beat Oleksandr Uysk'.

          A lot has been made of apparently Tyson Fury hurting Oleksandr Uysk with uppercuts in their first fight 'In my opinion, from observation and how historically fighters react when they are genuinely hurt? Anthony Joshua was able to hurt Oleksandr Uysk more in his second fight, both to the body and up top during round 9. Oleksandr Uysk was stumbling about the ring, he had been clearly moved by Joshua's power and strength'.

          Tyson Fury was never able to have that sort of impact on Oleksandr Uysk I 'Yes, Fury landed some great uppercuts. But Oleksandr Uysk almost immediately recovered and then continued to pressure Tyson Fury. It has been a exaggeration since their first fight? That Tyson Fury was able too seriously hurt Oleksandr Uysk. A fighter being stunned, and badly hurt are two differently levels of jeopardy'.

          In my opinion Tyson Fury was never able to put Oleksandr Uysk 'Under the same level of jeopardy that Anthony Joshua was able to. Joshua's power and offensive abilities put his opponent's in a position, where potentially they are only ever one punch away from the fight completely being turned 180 degrees'. Tyson Fury has historically never offensively been that level of Heavyweight fighter at top level, and this showed vs Oleksandr Uysk I'

          Both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua tactically fought very similar fights vs Oleksandr Uysk 'But any honest boxing analyst, would have to admit? That Anthony Joshua managed the pace of Uysk better than Fury, and overall posed technically a marginally more difficult fight'.

          Note: The statistics of both contests also display this, which I will now post down below:

          'Oleksandr Uysk was able to land 170 punches against both Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'But the difference was? Uysk vs Joshua was having to produce a greater effort in order to land those punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 407 punches vs Tyson Fury, and landed a total of 170 punches. Were as against Anthony Joshua, Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 712 punches, and landed a total of 170 punches'.

          Those statistics were taken from Oleksandr Uysk vs Anthony Joshua II 'Joshua actually out worked Uysk during their first fight, Anthony Joshua threw a total of 641 punches and landed a total of 123 punches. Oleksandr Uysk threw a total of 529 punches, and landed a total of 148 punches'.​

          The statistics of the fight action from all three fights, showed that Oleksandr Uysk in order to beat Anthony Joshua twice back to back 'Had to produce a greater effort, than he did up against Tyson Fury in their first fight. Definitively for sure? The version of Oleksandr Uysk that fought Anthony Joshua II, is potentially the best Heavyweight version of Uysk we have seen'.

          Just to put things into perspective 'The work rate that Oleksandr Uysk was able to produce vs Anthony Joshua II. That level of intensity, was comparable at times to a peak Ricky Hatton. Uysk is a heavyweight fighter, who has the ability to fight with a similar intensity comparable to a World and Elite level Lower weight class fighter'.

          This is a trait historically which has been associated with past Heavyweight era's 'The Heavyweight fighters of the 90's, 80's and 70's. Appeared to at times, fight with the intensity of a Middle to Super Middle Weight Fighters'.

          Larry Merchant once made this statement 'I like Mike Tyson best, when he appears like he is a big Middle Weight fighter'. That statement was made, moments before he fought Alex Stewart.

          In this Modern Super Heavyweight era, a hallmark trait of the fighters 'Is that their fight intensity is decreased. And predominantly there overall conditioning is not as great, compared to past Heavyweight fighters from other era's'.

          And if we analyse Oleksandr Uysk as a fighter 'And all of his best performances at heavyweight. Uysk is for the most part negating these Super Heavyweight fighters, not only with his fundamental boxing skills, but also with his endurance'

          Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'The fight was pretty much done, by the mid-way point of the contest. Sebastian Coe, and Steve Ovett were great middle distance runners. At their absolute peak, there would be a point in their races were? They are able to enter into a different level of intensity, and turn on the after burners. Ether the other competitors were able to stay with them, or they were destroyed'.

          Daniel Dubois was done by the mid way point vs Oleksandr Uysk, Derek Chisora was done by the mid way point vs Oleksandr Uysk 'The longer the fight progressed vs Chisora, you could see Uysk becoming more invulnerable to Chisora's attacks. And Chisora's offensive and brute strength was decreasing in its effects, as the rounds progressed. Anthony Joshua by the mid way point of both of his fights vs Oleksandr Uysk I & II? At this stage of each contest, although Joshua managed the pace of the fights better than Fury. Still this was the stage in the fight, were you could see the fight move away from Anthony Joshua'.

          And on May 18th 2024, Tyson Fury vs Oleksandr Uysk I 'Fury in the second half of the fight, in my opinion? Completely fell apart, he was unable to manage the pace and intensity of Oleksandr Uysk I. Tyson Fury was smashed up in round 9, and even at this point of the fight ? Fury was unable to produce a counter attack to turn the fight around'.

          To conclude: So, overall Derek Chisora, Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua 'Are the three most toughest contests, Oleksandr Uysk has encountered as a Heavyweight fighter. I would marginally rate Anthony Joshua I & II as his toughest overall challenged, based on the evidence and statistics of those two fights. Joshua challenged Uysk both in the realm of skill, and the realm of jeopardy combined with physiological damage'.

          If you compare Oleksandr Uysk's physiological state in the aftermath of all three fights 'Uysk was mostly smashed up vs Anthony Joshua and Derek Chisora. Whereas vs Tyson Fury he seemed to have sustained less physiological damage'.

          All of the evidence that I have analysed in this post, both statistical and from empirical observations' In my opinion, proves that overall Anthony Joshua was Oleksandr Uysk's toughest Heavyweight challenge. And his greatest technical and physiological feat he has achieved as a Heavyweight fighter in his career' etc.
          Interesting points although with Dubois, his game plan was to knock Usyk out within six rounds. Which is what he did but a crooked ref saved Usyk. Same body shot that Beterbiev dropped him with in the amateurs, and ref had no problem that time. Since Dubois expended majority of his energy achieving his game plan of a mid-fight KO, when the ref allowed Usyk to recover from being knocked out, Dubois only had a few rounds left in him, on top of the fact that his adrenaline and momentum was diffused due to the 5 minute break in action..

          Fury had just a few good moments against Usyk but he was outclassed for large periods of the fight, similar to Chazz Witherspoon. And this was against probably the worst version of Usyk we've ever seen, he seems to be past prime now but still outclassed Fury handily. How much further will have Usyk deteriorated past his prime in the rematch? I guess we'll find out soon but possibly even a 60 to 70% Usyk is still too much for Fury to hang with.

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            #6
            That True Geordie guy scores it 9 rounds to 3 in a rewatch.. so was Fury the easiest fight for Usyk at heavyweight for someone who had a full camp? Chazz Witherspoon only had 4 days notice but he was still competitive in about 3 rounds like Fury!

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              #7
              I don't know what people were watching with Chisora, in my opinion he won the same amount of rds as AJ, 3. Fury was harder especially up until 8, Fury was ahead, 9th beating Fury got then turned things with Usyk finishing stronger later rounds

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