Higher On A ATG List, Felix Trinidad or Sonny Liston?

[StarshipTrooper]

But, you act like that is a bad thing. Is not like the WW division is the CW or SMW division with really not much history..

WW is one of the 8 original weight-class as you know, and is arguably one of the greatest, deepest, talented division ever along with MW. So to barely crack your top 15 ATG list speaks volume, you add with being a 3 division titlist thne I don't see why he doesn't belong on a P4P ATG list.

But, then granted does depends if you talking top 50 or top 100 or what have you. Top 50 I don't think neither is in it.

Top 100 I am not if either is in it or not but I think they have somewhat of a case argument. Especially Tito IMO.

Actually I agree with you about the Welterweight division: It's been probably the deepest historically along with Middleweight and Lightweight. The only way I can see him making a p4p list is if it's top 200 or at very best the tail end of a top 100.

Poet

[jrosales13]

Actually I agree with you about the Welterweight division: It's been probably the deepest historically along with Middleweight and Lightweight. The only way I can see him making a p4p list is if it's top 200 or at very best the tail end of a top 100.

Poet

I can agree with that.

[StarshipTrooper]

Just out of interest, who would you rank above Tito at 147?

Old-School 8, Junior-Welters count as Welters:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Ray Leonard
04. Kid Gavilan
05. Jose Napoles
06. Barney Ross
07. Jimmy McLarnin
08. Thomas Hearns
09. Emile Griffith
10. Antonio Cervantes
11. Wilfred Benitez
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Shane Mosley
14. Felix Trinidad
15. Duilio Loi
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Luis Rodriguez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Aaron Pryor

[THE REED]

Trinidad didnt accomplish much in his career to be brutally honest... Sonny Liston by a country mile.

jro bait

[mrboxer]

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these guys are in 2 separate divisions felix is probably mid 50s in his weight class and sonny is off the radar in his division he is probably around the 400 to the 500 range

[jrosales13]

Old-School 8, Junior-Welters count as Welters:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Ray Leonard
04. Kid Gavilan
05. Jose Napoles
06. Barney Ross
07. Jimmy McLarnin
08. Thomas Hearns
09. Emile Griffith
10. Antonio Cervantes
11. Wilfred Benitez
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Shane Mosley
14. Felix Trinidad
15. Duilio Loi
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Luis Rodriguez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Aaron Pryor

Is your personal list and is cool. But, I can't see how you can rank Shane>Tito at WW. Shane 2 best wins in the weight-class is against Oscar and Marg and a bunch of mediocre wins. Tito overall WW career was much better IMO.

Also I think since you counting JWW that Oscar is debatable, is arguable over who ranks higher.

[jrosales13]

Trinidad didnt accomplish much in his career to be brutally honest... Sonny Liston by a country mile.

jro bait

I was about to respond heavy until I saw the "jro bait" While I was typing.



You got me.

[NChristo]

Old-School 8, Junior-Welters count as Welters:
01. Ray Robinson
02. Henry Armstrong
03. Ray Leonard
04. Kid Gavilan
05. Jose Napoles
06. Barney Ross
07. Jimmy McLarnin
08. Thomas Hearns
09. Emile Griffith
10. Antonio Cervantes
11. Wilfred Benitez
12. Oscar De La Hoya
13. Shane Mosley
14. Felix Trinidad
15. Duilio Loi
16. Floyd Mayweather Jr.
17. Tommy Ryan
18. Luis Rodriguez
19. Carmen Basilio
20. Aaron Pryor

No Walcott, Kid Lewis or Britton in your top 20 poet ?

[THE REED]

I was about to respond heavy until I saw the "jro bait" While I was typing.



You got me.

I bet you were...

[StarshipTrooper]

Is your personal list and is cool. But, I can't see how you can rank Shane>Tito at WW. Shane 2 best wins in the weight-class is against Oscar and Marg and a bunch of mediocre wins. Tito overall WW career was much better IMO.

Also I think since you counting JWW that Oscar is debatable, is arguable over who ranks higher.

Then again, Oscar beat Trinidad regardless of what the judges say.

Poet