What is 'antifa'?

[Real King Kong]

Watching the fights man so I ain't gonna give a long reply but Ithe answers kinda nuanced... antifa will generally tell you that you need to nip that ish in the bud before it gets to the point where it's too big to stop, and that the vast majority of antifa ain't 'mobs' but legit protestors or counter protestors. I personally don't know how bad it is from the other side of the Atlantic that's a decision each citizen has to make for themselves and clearly some, at least, do believe the problem is bad enough to require them to take personal action.





Guess the question is do you ignore racist extremism and hope it goes away or challenge it whatever way you can. FWIW there's a very significant division within the movement over whether they should just avoid confrontations and counterprotest altogether cos of the optics, but because it isn't a single cohesive or h0m0genous movement it ain't like there's one single opinion.

I've linked to where antifa have actually been protecting peaceful, legitimate protestors from violent right wing 'mobs' such as at Charlotteville. Guess what I'm saying is the situation really ain't as striaghtforward as some elements in the media would have it.

I've linked a loada articles, videos so on throughout this thrread might help folks get a better understanding of what makes these protestors go out and often put themselves in harms way or put themselves at risk of very real consequences... whether you agree with em or not, there's plenty of information to say that firstly the vast majority have done nothing illegal and that secondly most of the criminal damage and looting has not been conducted by activists but by opportunistic criminals.

Nioce article here might give you a better idea of some of the underlying principles, but ultimately the reasons for why antifa do what they do are as varied as the number of people in the movement.

To bad these fools, along with *** are just playing revolutionary in a manufactured revolution. Like I said, at this point I don�t even know what they�re still doing out there...other than shouting though megaphones at people who don�t conform to their ideology.

[Shadoww702]

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Lol

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And others in love with FAT white Goth Chicks.

[Shadoww702]

Actually a lot of 'em do exactly that, it's most common for these kinda activist to be involved in other community work as well as a range of other protest activities, like environmental stuff or whatever. ... often as not you got these same folk running soup kitchens or helping out with outreach or drug programs. Folk who believe they have a duty or responsibility to help those around them. Damn busybody do-gooder bleeding hearts...

EDIT: Though I would add to that that in my experience there's a high turnover of spoiled kids come in and fuck around for a year or two... it's usually the minority who stick with it and find a calling that become your real commited community and social activists rather than the fly by night students or whatever who are there for a season or so cos it's cool.

Let's just say you have NO FKN clue! And leave it that.

[Shadoww702]

Not sure you're getting the most nuanced picture in most of your media, man. Mostly just regular folk, just your TVs gonna focus on the rioters and weirdos... paints a certain kinda picture, see what I mean?

So you admit can't fight for sht and needed drugs and out number ppl at least 10 to one...

To fight.

Your a fkn Coward!

[Shadoww702]

Not sure you're getting the most nuanced picture in most of your media, man. Mostly just regular folk, just your TVs gonna focus on the rioters and weirdos... paints a certain kinda picture, see what I mean?

Let's be real???? How many ppl to u suker punch high on drugs???

[Shadoww702]

Over/under 100 Citizen Koba Knocking the *** out of old ppl???

I take the over. The old dude still hardcore Anti-Fa. I know he had no issues high as a kite fkn KO'ing old ladies out! When he was young. Now he a shot caller

[Zaroku]

Actually a lot of 'em do exactly that, it's most common for these kinda activist to be involved in other community work as well as a range of other protest activities, like environmental stuff or whatever. ... often as not you got these same folk running soup kitchens or helping out with outreach or drug programs. Folk who believe they have a duty or responsibility to help those around them. Damn busybody do-gooder bleeding hearts...

EDIT: Though I would add to that that in my experience there's a high turnover of spoiled kids come in and fuck around for a year or two... it's usually the minority who stick with it and find a calling that become your real commited community and social activists rather than the fly by night students or whatever who are there for a season or so cos it's cool.

Thanks for the info! Didn�t know much about it just snipits where kids want free college.

The other thing is the not so peaceful fools who give the movement a bad image.

Green k

[Citizen Koba]

Let's be real???? How many ppl to u suker punch high on drugs???

Sucker punching ain't my style, man, and it's alcohol rather than drugs that used to get me into fights. However I have been sucker punched by nationalist and racists a few times on demos, and I got a nice scar shaped a bit like the the Star Trek logo on my forehead from where some **** Skin cunt threw a bottle into a crowd that had women and kids in.

Two sides to every story, man. That's the thing you ain't seeing on the news. When shit kicks off 95% it's when theres someone looking for it from both sides... you think the Proud Boys and their ilk just turn up armed and looking for trouble for jollies, man? They're actively showing up looking to intimidate and cause pain, or to provoke a response to portray the protests in a bad light. Tried and true tactic, hell you even got police provocateurs in there sometimes deliberately stirring it. Sadly most of the time it works.

Vast majority of what antifa do ain't even on the streets, man, it's about community activism, doxxing, that kinda crap. Trying to stop the spread of this far right cancer of hate and bigotry... but when you got Neo-****s and racists coming out disrupting legitimate protests and the police ain't doing ish to stop 'em what you gonna do?

[Citizen Koba]

Thanks for the info! Didn�t know much about it just snipits where kids want free college.

The other thing is the not so peaceful fools who give the movement a bad image.

Green k

This bit is an unfortunate truth, and I won't lie, as a younger man I was one of those more likely to get into scraps and shit... back in my day it was groups like the British National Party and the **** Skins we used to get in fights with, but looking back the violence - and vandalism sometimes - just gave the media ammunition to cast the whole movement as a bunch of thugs and the police an excuse to crack down.

I couldn't understand back then when the older heads would say we gotta keep it peaceful, even when those **** kunts were trying to provoke shit, but I get it now of course. Every hothead or idiot makes it 10x more difficult to get public support for the good and positive work being done.

Ha angry young dudes and their egos gonna do what they do though I guess, probably always gonna be that way.

EDIT: Here ya go Zee, this is a little something you might find interesting though... you ever heard of the 43 Group, man? ***ish direct action anti-*******s in post war London (one of 'em a MW Boxing Champion)



These guys were part of the inspiration for later anti-******* groups in the UK like the 62 Group, and the ANL which then crossed to the US in the form of ARA. Had the idea that you gotta take the fight to the *******s, you can't just leave 'em to fester and grow stronger...



43 Group had some of the same problems as contemporary anti-******* activists though, other ***ish lobbies worried about the political consequences of direct action and tended to distance themselves.

[Citizen Koba]

Over/under 100 Citizen Koba Knocking the *** out of old ppl???

I take the over. The old dude still hardcore Anti-Fa. I know he had no issues high as a kite fkn KO'ing old ladies out! When he was young. Now he a shot caller

Man, some folk just got no interest in understanding the world better do they? Guess the saying's true, you can lead a horse to water...

All I'm offering is a different perspective man, far as I can tell there's few people - if anyone else - on here with direct experience of what it means to be in any way involved with left activism, just thought I'd share my perspective. These folk are in the large majority both peaceful and conscientious, man, though no doubt there's some fkn idiots in there too, same as in any group.

Nah, these days most I do is maybe show up if some of Nationalist hate mongers like the EDL show up in Manchester or whatever, but mainly it's just environmental stuff like anti-fracking or whatever. Just a regular dude following my conscience.

These days it's more local community work I'm interested in, stuff where you feel like you can make a difference... working with one of the local councillors at the moment getting a youth club and a local men's shed group set up. Kinda more satisfying being hands on with something where you see direct results I reckon. Had a coupla other things going on too, but COVID put everything on hold for now.



Seems to me you got a lotta bitterness in you, man, lotta contempt. That's the tool that's used to steer you, control you, keep you blind. You got the wrong enemy, man, least that's the way I see the world. I think it probably makes it easier for you to imagine these people as sub-humans or degenerates - paint everything black and white - rather than actually try to understand the very real social forces and tensions that underlie the societies in which we live.