Climate change, lobbyists, sanctions and more. Exxon loves democracy!

[Citizen Koba]

Ah... well. Course none of us are naive and course it ain't just Exxon, it's the whole system of lobbying and private funding of political parties and political donations (and I ain't picking on the US here, this kinda **** happens everywhere) but it's nice to have some of it on record.

I don't think anyone's really claiming climate change ain't happening any more but I know some folk still claim it ain't anthropogenic... well if you ain't gonna believe you been lied to by now you likely never will, but perhaps you'll accept that it ain't a good idea to take a chance on making it worse?

[GhostofDempsey]

Apparently foreign oil must burn cleaner than U.S. oil since ***** is willing to purchase abroad. Can you say kickbacks? He even opened the Russian pipeline to Europe giving Russia exactly what they wanted. Way to go Joe!

[Citizen Koba]

Apparently foreign oil must burn cleaner than U.S. oil since ***** is willing to purchase abroad. Can you say kickbacks? He even opened the Russian pipeline to Europe giving Russia exactly what they wanted. Way to go Joe!

***** and the Russian petrochemical lobby have been pushing hard as **** for this and they've been just as bad, possibly worse in some ways about spreading disinformation and climate change uncertainty... ***** is *****... i trust the ****er no further than I can throw him, but he's got his voter base to appease so I'm hoping that he'll live up to at least some of his commitments. End of the day though whether it's done efficiently or badly, slowly or fast the days of fossil fuel dominance are numbered... question now is more to do with how the switchover is managed and trying to mitigate the hardships to those who work within or depend on the industry.

[man down]

So what's the fix? Where do we get energy from thats clean that can power EVERYTHING including these electric cars?
Our power company just sent a email saying not to charge cars this evening.

Just saw a video of about 100 tesla waiting for a charging station. How long will that take?

[Citizen Koba]

So what's the fix? Where do we get energy from thats clean that can power EVERYTHING including these electric cars?
Our power company just sent a email saying not to charge cars this evening.

Just saw a video of about 100 tesla waiting for a charging station. How long will that take?

Guess that's what the real problem is now ain't it? Ain't whether we gotta switch cos ultimately we gonna have to anyway... it's about how to manage it in the way the causes the least harm and disruption to the fewest people for the shortest time. Figure that one out I reckon there's people will pay you money for the answer.

This might give you some hope though...




Mainly just a matter of companies investing in charging stations now, which is gathering pace in Europe but I ain't sure how it's going along on your side of the pond.

[man down]

Guess that's what the real problem is now ain't it? Ain't whether we gotta switch cos ultimately we gonna have to anyway... it's about how to manage it in the way the causes the least harm and disruption to the fewest people for the shortest time. Figure that one out I reckon there's people will pay you money for the answer.

This might give you some hope though...




Mainly just a matter of companies investing in charging ports now, which is gathering pace in europe but I ain't sure how it's going along on your side of the pond.

That's fine and all but they want no natural gas, no nuclear, no coal, no new dams for hydro.

With what we have right now including green energy we have to turn the power off. Now add hundreds of millions of cars, trucks, truckers, delivery services ect.

So where does the power come from? I'm a fan of the tech as I'm a car nut and new tech is ways welcome. That said, there has to be a way to power all this. I think the cars are close to mainstream but how to power them is a big problem no matter the charge times.

[man down]

So how much of this material do we have on this planet?

[4truth]

Ultimately it will be hydrogen but we’re not there yet. Solar power, wind power, hydroelectric, reclaimed methane are all going to play a part but eventually you are going get to a place where hydrogen is the main source. I believe the technology is going to get there but it’s probably going to be a gradual improvement of the efficiency. When we do, down will come the “grid” which will be another improvement of efficiency.

I just hope the damage isn’t irreversible by the time it happens.

[markusmod]

Ultimately it will be hydrogen but we’re not there yet. Solar power, wind power, hydroelectric, reclaimed methane are all going to play a part but eventually you are going get to a place where hydrogen is the main source. I believe the technology is going to get there but it’s probably going to be a gradual improvement of the efficiency. When we do, down will come the “grid” which will be another improvement of efficiency.

I just hope the damage isn’t irreversible by the time it happens.

I agree. Most of my neighbors have gone solar in the last five years.

[Citizen Koba]

That's fine and all but they want no natural gas, no nuclear, no coal, no new dams for hydro.

With what we have right now including green energy we have to turn the power off. Now add hundreds of millions of cars, trucks, truckers, delivery services ect.

So where does the power come from? I'm a fan of the tech as I'm a car nut and new tech is ways welcome. That said, there has to be a way to power all this. I think the cars are close to mainstream but how to power them is a big problem no matter the charge times.

In the shorter term the energy needs can't be met without some use of hydrocarbons... next few decades is gonna be a switchover period I guess, gradually reducing reliance on fossil fuels and increasing solar and wind, some kinds of hydro can be used as well in some areas (archimedian screw designs like this one right near me for instance ) though you're correct that dambuilding tends to be frowned upon these days for environmental and ecological reasons... It's quite likely we'll also see a trend towards distributed local generation projects.

The other part of the equation of course is attempting to reduce energy use through making our devices more efficient and major strides are being made in this area as well... though in terms of vehicles there are obviously the hard constraints of physics to contend with, moving lumps of metal and plastic around takes energy, past a certain point the only way to reduce energy consumption is to make 'em smaller, lighter and more streamlined.

And painful and poltically difficulat as it may be - especially in the US - governments around the world might have to put in more measures to make public transport more attractive or encourage people to cycle or whatever, plus of course encouraging more remote work or workspaces closer to residential areas to reduce commuting?