Max Kellerman: Manny Pacquiao has a case for the best pound-for-pound fighter ever

[tdubb]

He's top 5. His resume is insane, easily one of the most stacked ever. Great wins and some losses but only to greats in the peak of his career.

Top 3.

Not in order:

Sugar Ray Robinson
Muhammad Ali
Manny Pacman

[REDEEMER]

Max is a fkn idiot

way to torpedo your own credibility

FACT: if Armstrong fought in a era that had 100+ world "titles", and 17 different divisions..... rather than a era with 8 world champions, and 8 divisions..... he would have truckloads of the rubbish that Max calls "achievements"

Max is being a fanboy fool..... which is a little disappointing

now, NONE of the (in)famous HBO 3..... have any remaining credibility

What ifs don't count.

[Blond Beast]

"But don’t get it twisted, titles at those lower weights will never be worth the same as the higher ones."

Why and how so? Beauty is at the eyes of the beholder. Most likely a case of pizza vs shawarma? Of course, it was the HW fights that drew my interest in boxing. Ali to me is the GOAT. However, the HW after Iron Mike and Evander is not up to my taste..not saying there are no good HWs today...just that it is what it is to me..

the fact that the highest grossing fight was between may and pac somehow put your above statement to a test...

When I say lower weights I mean minimum up to say feather considering that’s eight whole divisions within 24lbs pounds of each other right there. Welterweight clearly has more weight divisions below it than above it. So I don’t know how ur bringing that division up as defence of “lower weights” especially if ur point is it’s all relative. It would be on the higher weights side if u drew a line in the middle of all the divisions. I also said that 140-147 has always been stacked because there’s a large demographic that fits in there. So you pointing out a welterweight fight being the biggest ever is still a fight two thirds up the weight division ladder. I would love to see the lower weights more often on tv too, honestly. Manny jumped over eleven divisions of weight and got eight titles. He didn’t even bother to win each divisions title. He might have jumped sum divisions completely. The point is the bottom third of weights are obscure and u will never get the same credit for winning there. Ur the best of a small group on earth down there. If it was relative and there’s all these great boxers down there how did manny do it? Why did he have more struggles as he moved up? I’m not trying to pile on you, but I’m not wrong with the things I’m saying. It is what it is.

[EL_cano]

It’s Pacamania fever 2019. This old man deserves it.

[Blond Beast]

The lowest weight divisions are also separated by lower %body weight increases. U can be in another division after drinking a big gulp.

[Spoon23]

In your simple floyd fanboy mind.
Horns win over pac isn't greater than anything on pac s resume. Turpins win over SR R isn't better than all SRr wins and achievements. You see where I'm going with this? I know everyone can see.
There's lots of things to consider. Nobody is impressed with horns win over pac for starters, even though Pac is an higher echelon ATG and a lovely name on horns resume. I know you so badly wanting people to be impressed with floyds win over pac, but sorry to break it to you. People arent just like people arent impressed with horns win over pac.
Even though Pac s a higher atg than thurman will ever be, Pac s win over thurman at 40 is better than anything on floyds cv

You hit the nail bruh. That was a masterpiece.

[aboutfkntime]

In your simple floyd fanboy mind.
Horns win over pac isn't greater than anything on pac s resume. Turpins win over SR R isn't better than all SRr wins and achievements. You see where I'm going with this? I know everyone can see.
There's lots of things to consider. Nobody is impressed with horns win over pac for starters, even though Pac is an higher echelon ATG and a lovely name on horns resume. I know you so badly wanting people to be impressed with floyds win over pac, but sorry to break it to you. People arent just like people arent impressed with horns win over pac.
Even though Pac s a higher atg than thurman will ever be, Pac s win over thurman at 40 is better than anything on floyds cv

I started reading your post... but when I got to the bold, I started plssing myself with laughter, and could not continue

could you write the bold again for me please

but this time... use big letters, in blue.... no wait, in red... thats it



so..... a guy who lost to Horn, is somehow better than Mayweather, simply because he beat Keith Thurman... is that your cool story bro?

[aboutfkntime]

Will highly appreciate for you to expound on the quoted statements below...

"we cannot use justification to measure greatness today, that did not exist back when we first started measuring greatness..... which is AT LEAST John L Sullivan

who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how..... nothing else matters..... that way we can compare across era's"

as I read your statements I think you do not believe in today's boxing setup...so many weight classes and titles...and that we have to go back to john l. sullivan's era as the measuring yard...

i may be seeing ghosts..but that means totally or say partially obliterating the accomplishments of today's fighters...how do you really compare across eras when you have a biased view on only one?

1) the answer is clearly obvious
2) the answer was in the post you replied to

Historians use this system.....

who did you beat, with consideration given to when/how

with some consideration also given to losses

you use the SAME criteria, for ALL fighters... all of today's junk and ABC accolades are rubbish... that way we can compare across era's

I understand that you are completely unable to do that... because that would require you to have an EXCELLENT understanding of the opponents/era... me neither, not without research

which is why historians know much more than you and I

that system is just plain ol common-sense... no boxing knowledge required

[aboutfkntime]

He's top 5. His resume is insane, easily one of the most stacked ever. Great wins and some losses but only to greats in the peak of his career.

nope, most of the fighters who beat Pac were not great

Mayweather, Marquez, Morales, were..... but the rest were not great, and some were very average

[kidbazooka]

I agree with Max

Just imagine Manny was a white man folks here would go crazy over what he’s accomplished(they already do over guys that are barely getting started).

Manny definitly has a case.