Comments Thread For: Mauricio Lara receives two-year ban for doping violation

[IronDanHamza]

Conor wasn't able to fight in the UK for years so had to fight in the US. It's the same with Lara. He's banned from fighting in the UK but has been out fighting in Mexico.

Benn was temporarily suspended under investigation. Never banned.

Lara is banned. Not the same.

Whyte had the clear test with VADA so it helped him out with the second one. The third time though, he was banned??

Still never banned for the 2nd one.

And no, wasn't banned for the 3rd one.

[tokon]

You are quite literally describing PCT (post cycle therapy). Athletes use Clomid post cycle in the absence of the actual PED's they have been blasting for the last 8-12 weeks. To help raise their natural levels back to a normal baseline (in the absence of the other drugs and the effects they have had on the athlete).



Ehhh, no, not really. No athlete is using Clomid for any other reason than a PCT.

It can aid the increase of Testosterone yes, as a PCT. Not ever used as something to enhance performance. No athlete is blasting Clomid in their cycle, it doesn't make any sense to do so.

Betamethasone is a topical corticosteroid, so not particularly a performance enhancer either, but, can be used as one if it's used very close to competition.

But, again, it is not "much more of a performance enhancer" like you are attempting to claim here. Neither are particularly or would typically be used as "performance enhancers". Albeit both technically can be used as one (extremely mildly)

I know what pct is, thanks. However, clomid can also be used as a mono therapy, not just as PCT, albeit the increase in testosterone is relatively modest. However"Not ever" and "no athlete" is a little too definitive. Or are you so knowledgeable and well informed you know "for certain" what every athlete is doing/has done?

[IronDanHamza]

I know what pct is, thanks. However, clomid can also be used as a mono therapy, not just as PCT, albeit the increase in testosterone is relatively modest. However"Not ever" and "no athlete" is a little too definitive. Or are you so knowledgeable and well informed you know "for certain" what every athlete is doing/has done?

I think "modest" is quite the understatement.

The point here is the use of Clomid as a PCT and if someone were hypothetically be using Clomid for monotherapy for low test (because of the use of steroid compounds etc) is just essentially just another branch of the same or similar tree. It's not being used as a performance enhancer and certainly not "much more of one" than something like Betamethasone for example. Neither drug is likely to be used in a PED cycle as such despite both technically being able to do so.

Well considering over the last 40+ years, 20+ of them I've done countless cycles myself, on top of that trained and built cycles for thousands of athletes including a long list of pro athletes and in not one of them was Clomid ever used for performance enhancing reasons then yes I'd say it's safe to say that, outside of very rare cases like an athlete being misinformed of something of that nature.

The fact of the matter here is Clomid is not "much more of a performance enhancer" than Betamethasone. It's just not. Clomid is used, almost entirely, in the realms of the PED/athlete world for PCT to restore natural testosterone by the blockage of estrogen receptors as opposed to taking testosterone synthetically for example. Nobody and I mean nobody is blasting Clomid on their cycle to get peak performance.

[tokon]

I think "modest" is quite the understatement.

The point here is the use of Clomid as a PCT and if someone were hypothetically be using Clomid for monotherapy for low test (because of the use of steroid compounds etc) is just essentially just another branch of the same or similar tree

I'm obviously not expressing myself properly regarding clomid, or you are not grasping the point I am trying to make regarding clomid use.

For clarity, I am NOT referring to the use of clomid as PCT following the use of steroids. I am referring to it's use as a mono therapy to produce an increase in testosterone. How big of an increase, or whether you personally consider it to significant, I don't know (or care). Bearing in mind that "micro-dosing" is very common and, if small increases in hormone levels provides no advantage or performance enhancing benefits, then why would athletes bother?

Your own experiences, although interesting, only qualify you to say what you and others you have provided advice to have done, not what any/every other athlete has done in such a definitive manner that it is an undisputed"fact".

Thanks for the discussion but I don't have the time or interest to continue to go back and forth with you. The final word can, and almost certainly will, be yours!

[IronDanHamza]

I'm obviously not expressing myself properly regarding clomid, or you are not grasping the point I am trying to make regarding clomid use.

For clarity, I am NOT referring to the use of clomid as PCT following the use of steroids. I am referring to it's use as a mono therapy to produce an increase in testosterone. How big of an increase, or whether you personally consider it to significant, I don't know (or care). Bearing in mind that "micro-dosing" is very common and, if small increases in hormone levels provides no advantage or performance enhancing benefits, then why would athletes bother?

Your own experiences, although interesting, only qualify you to say what you and others you have provided advice to have done, not what any/every other athlete has done in such a definitive manner that it is an undisputed"fact".

Thanks for the discussion but I don't have the time or interest to continue to go back and forth with you. The final word can, and almost certainly will, be yours!

Ok but like I've just said PCT and Mono Therapy and of the same ilk. They aren't used to enhance performance they are used to restore natural levels after usage of actual potent performance enhancers.

Thus the issue, with you saying it's much more of a performance enhancer, when it is not.

Nobody is micro dosing Clomid mate, that would be totally illogical to do so. And even if they were the benefits of doing that would not be "much more" than doing the same thing with the likes of Betamethasone